Indianapolis hosting the Superbowl (Advance, Denver: insurance, attorney, bankrupt)

[grmasterb]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

.... and let's face it, the donut counties won't lift a finger to help esp. if there's no economic benefit to them in which it won't since everything is downtown.....

Whatever SB expenditures have to be covered by taxes comes out of the CIB budget, to which those in the donut counties (sans Morgan) are contributing. And that's without considering the number of us in the donut counties that frequent restaurants inside Marion County.

[cBach]

Originally Posted by artemis agrotera

true, he is annoying but the F1's are a great event..

We're beginning to learn that about him...

[Chicago76]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Your track being superior to IMS as well as tracks like Talladega, Daytona, the Milwaukee Mile? I highly doubt that. Come back in about 60 years and it may be close to some of these other tracks mentioned.

Superior in terms of history? No way. In terms of roadcourse racing? CofA will be way better. IMS had to squeeze the road portion into the infield and the racing was pretty boring as a result.

Ecclestone is a jerk though. After what we went through with the tire debacle he had the nerve to complain about the venue and lower attendance the following year. Wonder why that was.

CoA will be great for a few years, then F1 will pull out and we'll find out how well it functions without it.

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by Chicago76

Superior in terms of history? No way. In terms of roadcourse racing? CofA will be way better. IMS had to squeeze the road portion into the infield and the racing was pretty boring as a result.

Ecclestone is a jerk though. After what we went through with the tire debacle he had the nerve to complain about the venue and lower attendance the following year. Wonder why that was.

CoA will be great for a few years, then F1 will pull out and we'll find out how well it functions without it.

Wasn't comparing the F1 aspect of it, just track in general. IMS should have never been used as an F1 course unless it was the last lap of the race and they had to take the famed oval. F1 really isn't a US thing. Could Austin provide a niche for it? Maybe but in the end, I doubt it.

[cBach]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Wasn't comparing the F1 aspect of it, just track in general. IMS should have never been used as an F1 course unless it was the last lap of the race and they had to take the famed oval. F1 really isn't a US thing. Could Austin provide a niche for it? Maybe but in the end, I doubt it.

Actually Austin is the right place for CofA. Please see this video:


Circuit of the Americas Teaser Trailer - YouTube

Because Austin doesn't have any pro teams, we can fully support F1. We are more into the F1 thing than NASCAR as well, since we're more of an alternative city. CofA will do just fine.

[cBach]

One other thing about hosting the SB. This time, the whole city of Indy was excited and turned out multiple times throughout the week to the festivities because Indy has never hosted a SB before.

However, if you get into the regular rotation, the novelty wears off. You quickly learn to avoid downtown during Superbowls unless your team is playing. Believe me, many locals in New Orleans leave town when the SB is going on. Now if the Saints are playing in the SB then of course that would be different...

[Chicago76]

^ An event that only comes to town every five to eight years will keep its excitement regardless. Why? The NFL experience is a kid friendly event. People took their 6 year olds this time. They will have an entirely different experience when those 6 year olds are 12 or 13. Similarly, kids who aren't even born yet will likely be the 6 years olds going for the first time. The Final Four is a good example. The first one got more buzz, but by and large that buzz has been maintained. Brand is important too. People know NFL football and know they like it, so there is some built in loyalty there.

Keep in mind that even if the buzz drops a bit, that attendance may not. I know a lot of people who didn't bother going simply because it was so crowded. If attendance is down in day 1 by 10%, the media reports it and more of those people show up on day 2 or day 3 thinking things won't be as crowded...only to find that other people had the same idea they did.

F1 is a different bag of goods. People show up the first time because they're curious about it. It's not a known entity. Then the event comes back to town every year and it becomes less of a novelty. And they add the race in NJ/NY that will limit the number of east coasters going to Austin for the event. That has been the history of this event in the US regardless of where it has been hosted: Indianapolis, Southern California, Vegas, the Northeast, etc.

The thing that could kill this before it even has a chance is the poor organization and coordination going into the event. Initial traffic study said 90 minutes to get out of the venue post race. Ecclestone not particularly happy with the change in ownership/investors/construction stoppages, political issues, etc.

Timeline: The politics of F1 Austin | KXAN.com

Then you throw in the renewal for Montreal, the NY/NJ bid, and now a Mexico bid, and the out of town market could be very fragmented.

[GregHenry]

Dora-Owned Hotel Next To Lucas Oil Stadium Files Bankruptcy

Advance Indiana: Dora-Owned Hotel Next To Lucas Oil Stadium Files Bankruptcy

"With all the talk of the financial boom Lucas Oil Stadium and the Super Bowl brought to downtown Indianapolis this month, this is a story that should bring discomfort to other downtown hotels as the city pours tens of millions more in public dollars into the construction of yet another hotel downtown not far from Lucas Oil Stadium. The Comfort Suites Hotel owned by a company controlled by former Capital Improvement Board member John Dora's family right next to the stadium has filed for bankruptcy."

Also,

"Yet Indianapolis taxpayers have subsidized the construction of three new hotels in recent years, including the Conrad Hilton, the JW Marriott and the yet-to-be constructed Dolce Hotel that is part of the North of South CityWay development, also on the Downtown's southside."

The question is: When is downtown going to be independently viable? It continues to require heavy subsidies, as chasing sports economics has proven to be a failure, as has crowding out the proper purpose of a downtown, commercial activity, with anti-commercial event facilities and residences. Indianapolis continues to try to make downtown all things to all people, coming short on everything and dooming downtown not to be much of a downtown, at all.

Heard from another restaurant on the near south side who said that the Super Bowl "seven days of business" promised by the event coordinators who visited her didn't turn out to be anywhere close to that.

[domergurl]

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[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by domergurl

and??????

Greg lives in California so he doesn't have much room to talk about Indianapolis.
And oh Domer before you pull this one on me . I atleast live in the same state as Indianapolis. Greg lives 2000 miles away lol.