Indianapolis's population estimates are out! (Franklin, Washington: moving, beaches, eat)

[normcrok8]

Originally Posted by Toxic Toast

It is pretty common for outsiders to pop into this forum and complain about the city limits of Indianapolis, and try to point out to us, the residents, that it doesn't matter and that we are stupid for acknowledging that we are the 12th biggest city as though any of us chose to annex Marion County.

Guess what, we don't care. Guess what else, Indianapolis is the 12th biggest city in the country by population. If you have a problem with that, too bad. It is a fact. Look it up.

As far as metro area, Indy comes in around the mid-30's. Yes, Indianapolis has a population a disporportionate to its metro. Big ******* deal.

Indy is actually 11th largest in the 2010 census, not 12th. When comparing apples to apples (the census often does not do this) Indy has 829K in the city proper, while 12th ranked Jacksonville has 821K. But yes, Indy's city population is disproportionate to its MSA population big time. But so is San Antonio, Jacksonville, Austin, Columbus, Detroit and Atlanta (the other way, however).

[normcrok8]

Originally Posted by SuperTramp1

(1) California GDP: $1.9 trillion
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(5) Illinois GDP: $644 billion
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(16) Indiana GDP: $267 billion

*****, please. Leave the professional capitalism to the coasts and Chicago. FOX News might tell you the "heartland" is the engine of America, but that's just to distract you from your increasingly poor standard of living in the fly-overs while the coastal conservative elites (Romney, anyone?) take your votes and laugh all the way to the bank.

Excuse me, but Indiana's 16th ranking in GSP falls right along with its population ranking. Its like that for every state. And yer point is??

To think Indiana is inferior just because its in what you call 'fly over' territory is unfair and untrue. The Midwest.....know as the Heartland for two centuries....was and still is the manufacturing and agricultural center of the country. Whether U like it or not, the Midwest has been the economic engine of the country for two centuries. If Indiana is no more than just 'flyover', than whats places lile Wyoming, Nevada, Oklahoma, Arizona or Kansas? Give me a break!

And BTW, Mr. Romney is from Michigan and grew up there, not MA. And if I am not mistaken Obama grew up in Chicago and also considers himself a Midwesterner. I think U need to do a bit more research B4 coming on this website.

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by normcrok8

Excuse me, but Indiana's 16th ranking in GSP falls right along with its population ranking. Its like that for every state. And yer point is??

To think Indiana is inferior just because its in what you call 'fly over' territory is unfair and untrue. The Midwest.....know as the Heartland for two centuries....was and still is the manufacturing and agricultural center of the country. Whether U like it or not, the Midwest has been the economic engine of the country for two centuries. If Indiana is no more than just 'flyover', than whats places lile Wyoming, Nevada, Oklahoma, Arizona or Kansas? Give me a break!

And BTW, Mr. Romney is from Michigan and grew up there, not MA. And if I am not mistaken Obama grew up in Chicago and also considers himself a Midwesterner. I think U need to do a bit more research B4 coming on this website.

Honestly, the point was that the poster was responding to BRG's unfounded attack on the "poor" economies of the more-solidly democratic states (which BRG likes to label as "socialist" because he doesn't actually know what the word "socialist" means).

Truth be told, the more-solidly democratic states *do* have a larger slice of the GDP in the country. For example:

Of the top 10 states with the highest GDP from the 2010 data, with political determination based on presidential elections:

Consistently "blue":

#1) California ($1.94 t USD)
#3) New York ($1.21 t USD)
#5) Illinois ($0.64 t USD)
#6) Pennsylvania ($0.56 t USD)
#7) New Jersey ($0.50 t USD)

Total "blue": $4.85 trillion USD, or ~ 33% of the total US GDP

Consistently "red":

#2) Texas ($1.21 t USD)
#4) Florida ($0.75 t USD)
#9) Virginia ($0.43 t USD)
#10) North Carolina ($0.41 t USD)

Total "red": $2.8 trillion USD, or ~ 19% of the total US GDP

Considered "swing":

#8) Ohio ($0.48 t USD, ~ 3% of the total US GDP)

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by missik999

True. I would add that we get decent pizza along with the Italian beef.

me too me too!

[domergurl]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

Kid, what are you going to do if you ever decide to join the real world? Out on the street, you can't call someone a "troll," and you can't call for your big sister to bail you out of a jam.

I'm old enough to be his mother ... but that's neither here nor there.

metro schmetro ... who cares, really? Indianapolis has a nice little niche in America. Bringing Chicago and Detroit into the mix is bunk. No comparisons, not even the same kinds of cities or metro areas. St. Louis, Columbus, Ohio ... Des Moines? The so called Heartland of America takes up a lot of space.

BRG, you really need to get some perspective in your crush on all things Indianapolis. It's a nice place ... NICE ... but then again, so is Indiana. It's a nice place to call home.

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by domergurl

I'm old enough to be his mother ... but that's neither here nor there.

metro schmetro ... who cares, really? Indianapolis has a nice little niche in America. Bringing Chicago and Detroit into the mix is bunk. No comparisons, not even the same kinds of cities or metro areas. St. Louis, Columbus, Ohio ... Des Moines? The so called Heartland of America takes up a lot of space.

BRG, you really need to get some perspective in your crush on all things Indianapolis. It's a nice place ... NICE ... but then again, so is Indiana. It's a nice place to call home.

domergurl thats not the issue.
i dont mind perspective.
but then again greg doesnt even live in Indiana let alone the midwest. let alone the eastern 75% of the country. California is so far away from Indianapolis or Indiana that he is likely trolling over anything else.
2nd i dont live in Indianapolis but then again i visit every couple of weeks. and i live in the same state.
So why greg attacks the politics of Indianapolis and makes comparisons that dont make sense baffles me.

Greg i have a question for you. when was the last time you visited Indianapolis? for me it was the 4th of july celebration.

Maintainchaos as msamhunter said before those states are BIGGER. of course they better have higher GDP.
Also are we forgetting Red Georgia? Red South Carolina? Red Arizona? Red Utah? Red anywhere in the South?

[msamhunter]

Originally Posted by Maintainschaos

Good for Indy that it is growing and all, but let's be honest: it may be the second-largest city in the Midwest on paper, but as far as metro areas are concerned, it's kind of small and washes out Indy's importance.

From a metro standpoint, Chicago, Detroit, Twin Cities, St. Louis, Cleveland and even Cincinnati all have larger metro populations, have larger GDPs, and are all probably more important from an economic standpoint. Let's not pretend that just because Indy has a larger city population than Detroit, that economic impact of the Indy metro area is remotely near that of the Detroit metro area...

Actually indianapolis passed cincy in gdp 3rd qtr of 2007 and has only increased the difference. You should have pulled the numbers before making that statement. Indpls, kc and cleveland are all within 1000 of each other and barring a major fluke, Indianapolis will pass both of them before the year is out. As it stands kc with just over 2 mil people is at 105900+. Cleveland with a little over 2 milion is at approx 105650. Indy at 1.7 mil is approx 105160. Cincy with 2.1 milliin is around 100599. Followed by cbus at 93000+. The latest figures r in the city v city titled metros between 1.3 and 3m people. Next quarter is getting ready to come out so it will be interesting. It made the distinction between san jose, charlotte and indy being higher than they should (punching above its weight, esp. San jose) while san antonio, lv and sacramento are quite low Keep in mind there is a 2 year gap in gdp so cleveland's beginning comeback will not be reflected for another two years while its waning declining years are still being accounted for again for another two tears. Indy will pass both kc and cle and shouldnt be up there on their heels now with the population difference. It should be slightly larger than austin (which will jump a lot if cities in two years itself) and charlotte at 113000+ has a gdp larger than kc, cle, cincy, cbus and indy.

Going by ir logic charlotte is above all of them. Kc, cle and indy are same level with cincy bringing up the rear.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-...e#post24694803

[Bluefox]

Originally Posted by Dyadic

I think you will lose the coast argument. California, Texas, Florida, Washington, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvannia, Virginia and New York combined agricultural output far exceeds the the midwest. The combined agricultural receipts of of the midwest largest producers, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Illinois, and Kansas are close to the combined agricultural receipts of both California and Texas. California is in a class of its own.

Interesting. I wasn't aware that Texas was a "coastal" state. I mean, I understand a portion of it is on the Gulf Coast, but when I think of "coastal" states at least as it is used by the majority of CD posters, it usually refers to state on the "East" Coast (Maine down to Florida) and the "West" Coast (Washington down to the MX border).

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

domergurl thats not the issue.
i dont mind perspective.
but then again greg doesnt even live in Indiana let alone the midwest. let alone the eastern 75% of the country. California is so far away from Indianapolis or Indiana that he is likely trolling over anything else.
2nd i dont live in Indianapolis but then again i visit every couple of weeks. and i live in the same state.
So why greg attacks the politics of Indianapolis and makes comparisons that dont make sense baffles me.

Greg i have a question for you. when was the last time you visited Indianapolis? for me it was the 4th of july celebration.

Maintainchaos as msamhunter said before those states are BIGGER. of course they better have higher GDP.
Also are we forgetting Red Georgia? Red South Carolina? Red Arizona? Red Utah? Red anywhere in the South?

If you read carefully enough, I specifically said that I was citing the 10 largest states by their GDP. These 10 states alone compromise > 50% of the total US GDP. Further, I clearly cited southern states as being consistently red in my post. Certainly Georgia has a large economy but South Carolina? ... Utah ... ? Those are nowhere near the top 10.

[Maintainschaos]

Originally Posted by msamhunter

Actually indianapolis passed cincy in gdp 3rd qtr of 2007 and has only increased the difference. You should have pulled the numbers before making that statement. Indpls, kc and cleveland are all within 1000 of each other and barring a major fluke, Indianapolis will pass both of them before the year is out. As it stands kc with just over 2 mil people is at 105900+. Cleveland with a little over 2 milion is at approx 105650. Indy at 1.7 mil is approx 105160. Cincy with 2.1 milliin is around 100599. Followed by cbus at 93000+. The latest figures r in the city v city titled metros between 1.3 and 3m people. Next quarter is getting ready to come out so it will be interesting. It made the distinction between san jose, charlotte and indy being higher than they should (punching above its weight, esp. San jose) while san antonio, lv and sacramento are quite low Keep in mind there is a 2 year gap in gdp so cleveland's beginning comeback will not be reflected for another two years while its waning declining years are still being accounted for again for another two tears. Indy will pass both kc and cle and shouldnt be up there on their heels now with the population difference. It should be slightly larger than austin (which will jump a lot if cities in two years itself) and charlotte at 113000+ has a gdp larger than kc, cle, cincy, cbus and indy.

Going by ir logic charlotte is above all of them. Kc, cle and indy are same level with cincy bringing up the rear.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-...e#post24694803

Yeah, I wasn't sure about the latest stats for Cincy. I'm surprised at how low the current estimates were for Cleveland. Regardless, the point still stands that Indy may be the second-largest city in the Midwest, but it is certainly not the second-most important metro in the Midwest.