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Old 10-29-2014, 05:53 PM
 
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even a blind squirrel can find a nut every so often. i guess arm chair economists fall in to that catagory too
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Old 10-30-2014, 08:50 PM
 
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^^I'm just an armchair economist. IMHO, you guys' should be more concerned about the reality of the situation. Bernanke said it ends ~March 2014; you were given an extra year, enjoy it while it lasts.
It's questionable whether it has ended. If you want to follow whether Fed's balance sheet is growing or not, you can check the Federal Reserve's H4.1 release and calculate it for yourself.

FRB: H.4.1 Release--Factors Affecting Reserve Balances, Release Dates

It's grown by more than twice the $15 billion monthly purchase amount that was projected for October.
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:41 AM
 
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S&P at 2014 at the end of 2014.
S&P is currently at 2013.
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Old 10-31-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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Record high close for Halloween - 2018.

Looks like we had quite a "dead cat bounce" back in the middle of October there, huh?
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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The S&P 500 has climbed to yet another record high close today - 2031.

It is within spitting distance of tripling its value since March 2009.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:12 PM
 
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great it retraced and just a little more in gains and your net worth in the s&p 500 will be right where it stood in inflation adjusted dollars 15 years ago. if you looked 15 years ago and woke up today you would be like WTF.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:14 PM
 
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great it retraced and just a little more in gains and your net worth in the s&p 500 will be right where it stood in inflation adjusted dollars 15 years ago. if you looked 15 years ago and woke up today you would be like WTF.
I don't understand your point. So would it be better if it hadn't retraced at all?

That's how it is if you choose to buy and hold forever. If buy and hold is your strategy, you have to expect losses when the market dips. And there will always be major dips.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:27 PM
 
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the point is while markets recovered we really have not seen much growth at all since the last highs. all older money regardless of when it was put in basically hit a wall and died.

if anyone ever told me 15 years ago that my balance in equities would be about the same as it stood i would have thought that was near impossible.

well the scarey thing is here we are at a peak again and the big question is looking at our balance today could it possibly be the same in 15 years?

of course no one knows but my point is becareful of your projections.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:46 PM
 
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if anyone ever told me 15 years ago that my balance in equities would be about the same as it stood i would have thought that was near impossible.

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Huh!!! The stock market is currently more than 50% higher than the peak from 15 years ago. Many stocks have also paid out dividends which further increase the yield. We did have a whopping downturn in 08. Give the market a few more years and you might look back feeling much better about the returns. Of course you can withdraw from the market and enjoy those big returns you are getting from bonds.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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looking at your balance on march 10 2000, including reinvested dividends, 1000 bucks is worth 1248.00 today in real return . nominal return would be worth 1737.00

that is a gain of 737.00 bucks in more than 14-1/2 years and 248 bucks if adjusted for the cpi.. nominal return is about 3-1/2% a year not adjusting for inflation. 1.50% adjusting for it.


The S&P 500, Dow and Nasdaq Since Their 2000 Highs

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