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Old 03-13-2018, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I heard that with certain types of clothes and with a certain kind of lighting, those doorbells can see right under your britches.
Do they use the same "night vision" tech used by the Sony videocam of a few years back that was infamous for this? Or is this just an urban legend coming around for another pass?
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:26 AM
 
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No, online bill does not make life easier. And you can't argue the point (although I know you'll try), that I am at much less risk of identity theft by not paying bills on line. The less you do on line with money moving around, the less chance you have of getting your accounts hacked.

FACT.
A-hem ... I'm gonna jump in here a bit. ...

My moniker comes from the time that a mortgage broker sold information - such as my checking, savings accounts of mine to a meth-head.

With that stuff and a photocopy of my Driver's License, said meth-head stole $thousands$ and committed felonies in my name. No email or on-line stuff was ever used and "presto" -- I'm a 3-time felon PLUS all the other associated theft of ID, drug dealing, blah blah blah.

You're not safe no matter what you do. You have to pay for a monitoring service and pay attention. The city/state doesn't care about you, but you can stop those guys before they suck your credit dry.

Monitor and lock it up.

At the sentencing hearing ( joke that it was ), there was a guy there with a 3-inch-thick folder showing the more-than $100k stolen from him. He can't get credit for ANYTHING. This might be OK for some, but all prepay credit cards, no mortgage, etc. and just being a general deadbeat - when you're not - sux.

I'm a little worried that you sound a bit smug. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I'm just voicing experience. Anyone not paying for monitoring is in denial. Anyone. Remember, the police and DA people are all going to retire with full benefits when they are 50. You're just a taxpayer and they don't care about you.

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That said, $1.4B for something any decent pooter-dude or dudette could build for a couple $hundred? I suppose that also describes early PCs. Michael Dell used to build them ( PCs ) in his college dorm.

Some have more money than sense, I guess.

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Old 03-14-2018, 04:07 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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A-hem ... I'm gonna jump in here a bit. ...

My moniker comes from the time that a mortgage broker sold information - such as my checking, savings accounts of mine to a meth-head.

With that stuff and a photocopy of my Driver's License, said meth-head stole $thousands$ and committed felonies in my name. No email or on-line stuff was ever used and "presto" -- I'm a 3-time felon PLUS all the other associated theft of ID, drug dealing, blah blah blah.

You're not safe no matter what you do. You have to pay for a monitoring service and pay attention. The city/state doesn't care about you, but you can stop those guys before they suck your credit dry.

Monitor and lock it up.

At the sentencing hearing ( joke that it was ), there was a guy there with a 3-inch-thick folder showing the more-than $100k stolen from him. He can't get credit for ANYTHING. This might be OK for some, but all prepay credit cards, no mortgage, etc. and just being a general deadbeat - when you're not - sux.

I'm a little worried that you sound a bit smug. I'm not trying to be insulting, but I'm just voicing experience. Anyone not paying for monitoring is in denial. Anyone. Remember, the police and DA people are all going to retire with full benefits when they are 50. You're just a taxpayer and they don't care about you.

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That said, $1.4B for something any decent pooter-dude or dudette could build for a couple $hundred? I suppose that also describes early PCs. Michael Dell used to build them ( PCs ) in his college dorm.

Some have more money than sense, I guess.
Good information and sorry to hear about your ID theft troubles. You're right - nobody is completely safe, but you can put the percentages in your favor. I don't pay for monitoring, but I do watch my accounts carefully. I have only 3 credit cards to my name and only use one for any transactions. So if there's any charges on the other two accounts I'll know it almost immediately. I also don't buy much on line, that helps the odds as well. One other trick -- every couple of years I call up the credit card companies and have them issue new cards with new numbers. That might be the best defense we have.

As far as that mortgage broker you mentioned -- I hope he got some serious time in the "klink"....
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Old 03-14-2018, 06:39 AM
 
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With big dog companies like Amazon you have to look at the space they're building to compete with Apple, Goog, etc. It's not about "a doorbell." It's always the bigger picture: platform, infrastructure, technical capabilities, future vision.

In the build vs buy equation one of the primary factors is time. Time is expensive and also priceless. Trying to create your own technology in a segment is very costly and it takes time--more time than tech companies have. Someone else already has expertise in that space: you want to get rid of the small guys/competition, leapfrog if you can over your other big dog competition in the space, and acquire the technology/people who already have expertise, to help you move forward quickly. And if you don't do it, your big dog competitors probably will.

And don't mistake Amazon for just their retail operations. They are so, so much more. I've used and gotten clients onto the AWS platform. Amazon is a "go big or go home" company. They are taking on and competing with segments of Google and Apple.
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Old 03-14-2018, 06:55 AM
 
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Do they use the same "night vision" tech used by the Sony videocam of a few years back that was infamous for this?
Why chance it? Beware ringing a doorbell at night in a wet swimsuit.
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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And don't mistake Amazon for just their retail operations. They are so, so much more. I've used and gotten clients onto the AWS platform. Amazon is a "go big or go home" company. They are taking on and competing with segments of Google and Apple.
I always like to bring up, remember back in the day when everyone thought of Google as "just" a search engine!

Same thing with Amazon, I bet both Amazon and Google, don't mind one bit if people today just thought of them as an online retailer and a search engine respectively, especially when their tentacles are spreading so far and wide and will eventually touch every aspect of your life from cradle to grave. Hello Skynet!
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I always like to bring up, remember back in the day when everyone thought of Google as "just" a search engine!

Same thing with Amazon, I bet both Amazon and Google, don't mind one bit if people today just thought of them as an online retailer and a search engine respectively, especially when their tentacles are spreading so far and wide and will eventually touch every aspect of your life from cradle to grave. Hello Skynet!
Not happening, the government will step in long before that happens and break them up.
If they did it with AT&T it can happen with Amazon or Google also
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Old 03-14-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Not happening, the government will step in long before that happens and break them up.
If they did it with AT&T it can happen with Amazon or Google also
I wouldn't bet on it. AT&T had a fixed infrastructure with limited... virtuality. Amazon, Google and Apple's truly essential future elements can... disappear into the ether, beyond regulatory control. It's going to be a tough fight, and it's going to begin with consumer/subjects.
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Old 03-15-2018, 06:41 AM
 
Location: The DMV
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No, online bill does not make life easier. And you can't argue the point (although I know you'll try), that I am at much less risk of identity theft by not paying bills on line. The less you do on line with money moving around, the less chance you have of getting your accounts hacked.

FACT.
FACT?

Explain please. You have two options of paying a bill (maybe three).

1 - Sending a piece of paper that has your name, address, your bank's information - account number, routing number. In an envelope that can easily be opened... by anyone without trace nor your ability to repudiate the claim that you never sent it.

2 - Use an online portal that the vendor is obligated to secure and provide a credit card number that has little to no personal identifiable information to be used to steal your identity and a number of security controls to protect the card issuer from fraud (as you have no obligations at this point since the CC company assumes the risks associated with this transaction).

Bottom line - your money is still moving around. There are still risks to both methods. You're simply putting more trust on one over the other. Most likely because you are able to better understand one over the other.

Oh - and I mentioned a potential third option. That would be taking your money to the company and paying the bill by person. And that has it's own risks. The biggest one being getting into your car and driving down there... which is probably the riskiest thing most of do on a daily basis.
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Old 03-15-2018, 07:19 AM
 
Location: New York
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Well this is a good plan to stop from people from stealing amazon packages from peoples houses. If amazon makes these video doorbells cheaper and more and more people install them then thieves will be less likely to steal the packages.

Everything will be recorded. I have read it is a large problem that costs Amazon and other retailers lots of money.
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