Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics > Investing
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-14-2020, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
6,762 posts, read 5,063,975 times
Reputation: 9214

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by artillery77 View Post
It's the dichotomy of the real economy and the capital markets. More regulation means companies need to hire a bunch of people to comply with new regulations while paying more in taxes. More employed people filling out forms helps the economy. During Republican years, there's less new regulation and lower taxes, freeing up money to be paid back to shareholders.
I have to disagree with this view. Paying people to do "make work", like Cool Hand Luke and boss's hole full of dirt, does not create a strong economy. Sure, it might prop things up for a little while (there's really little difference between this, and passing out stimulus checks) but it won't drive an economy for eight years (two presidential terms).

I don't want to get into the current POTUS drama here, but in general I will give the new president two years to fix anything inherited from a predecessor. Come time for re-election there is no more blaming "the last guy" for the country's problems. And especially when POTUS has both houses of Congress for any amount of time, there's really no excuse.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-14-2020, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
7,651 posts, read 4,606,610 times
Reputation: 12713
Quote:
Originally Posted by hikernut View Post
I have to disagree with this view. Paying people to do "make work", like Cool Hand Luke and boss's hole full of dirt, does not create a strong economy. Sure, it might prop things up for a little while (there's really little difference between this, and passing out stimulus checks) but it won't drive an economy for eight years (two presidential terms).

I don't want to get into the current POTUS drama here, but in general I will give the new president two years to fix anything inherited from a predecessor. Come time for re-election there is no more blaming "the last guy" for the country's problems. And especially when POTUS has both houses of Congress for any amount of time, there's really no excuse.
I'll give that I might be jaded, but I'll give an example. Last year had a project for compliance with ASC 842 which is the new rules on leases. It was a publicly traded company so they had to do it. At 50,000 feet, say you have a 10 year lease on a building, but the rents are going to go up 3% a year, the company was to receive LHI of $250,000 and there was a 6 month holiday at the beginning of the lease.

Under the old rule, you'd take your total payments over the total period and take the average expense each period.

Dr. Average Expense
Cr. Deferred Rent

On your actual payment, you'd then switch it out:

Dr. Deferred Rent
Cr. Cash

The difference on your balance sheet would be the deferred rent. ASC 842 may have just been implemented, but it was passed earlier. Now, for operating leases, we show total payments as a liability on day one, discounted for the borrowing rate...that liability goes on the books. As each month progresses, the liability will increase by the interest rate and decrease by the actual money expended. On the other side you take the liability, subtract any LHI which will depreciate separately and then capitalize each piece of interest expense each month while subtracting the overall average expense.

The ending difference between the asset and liability should be exactly the same as a deferred lease under the old rules. But now you have giant balance sheet amounts to discuss.

At the end of the day, it's a company leasing buildings, but the new rule gives a bit of work to financial reporting and a bit of work to consultants like myself and makes the AP clerk's timeliness a bit more important. It gives the auditors something new to poke at. It makes for another reconciliation point for everyone's statutory vs US GAAP books.

If your deferral was correct before, you should arrive at EXACTLY the same answer...it's just turning a puppet inside out and spreading it all over the balance sheet. Can't wait for a bank to start making loans on goodwill and Right of Use assets.

That's GDP growth baby!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-15-2020, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
6,762 posts, read 5,063,975 times
Reputation: 9214
^^

Sure, I get your point. I agree that we have an over abundance of rules and regulations, obviously more than can be enforced. And yet the country manages to grow and prosper pretty well.

Neither of the mainstream parties really suits my fancy, so I’ve accepted that I’ll always be unhappy with the political situation in this country.

My objection here is to the simple-minded notion that when it comes to the economy, R=good and D=bad. There’s really no empirical evidence to support that view.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-15-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
13,080 posts, read 7,523,914 times
Reputation: 9814
Quote:
Originally Posted by leastprime View Post
No idea.
Which is why I have a large cash hoard and high spec equity.
Decided to build positions in medical suppliers and rebuild
fuel cells. Currently 40-50% cash. I may run cash down ~40%.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-18-2020, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Oregon, formerly Texas
10,069 posts, read 7,245,793 times
Reputation: 17146
The economy has little to nothing to do with the president, save the appointment powet of the Fed xhairman.

Jerome Powell was a partner in the Carlyle Group, and he has repaid the largest investors of that type many, man, many times over. As long as be is Fed chairman, the stock markets will never go down, ever.

It has somewhat to do with the sum total of governance. That includes states and localities as well as the Fed.

Otherwise, the market and economy respond to "environmental" factors. I mean that in the sense of overall economic climate.

Last edited by redguard57; 08-18-2020 at 03:32 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-18-2020, 05:43 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
9,173 posts, read 13,259,290 times
Reputation: 10145
Default What stocks (if any) do you think will soar or crash with a Biden / Democratic win?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmw335xi View Post
I think stocks like TSLA (clean energy), SWBI (rush to buy guns), CGC (marijuana legalization) will be some that will soar with a Biden/Democratic win. I imagine we will at the very least see an extension of tax credits for clean energy, people will rush even more than they are now to buy guns and recreational marijuana could be legalized on the federal level.


Feel free to answer the same question if Trump wins as well...
I am no financial expert but if Biden wins, we can expect increased taxes, more regulations and the return to predatory free trade. I expect American small caps and mid-caps to fall. I am not sure about large caps, it may depend on how new economy they are and how multi-national they are. Some new economy corporations may prosper but I am not really optimistic overall about the large caps under Biden.


Anyway I think right now mutual fund companies and other big investors are betting that Trump is going to win reelection. That is why the market has been rising all summer.

Last edited by LINative; 08-18-2020 at 05:56 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-18-2020, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Warwick, RI
5,481 posts, read 6,312,397 times
Reputation: 9549
Quote:
Originally Posted by leastprime View Post
Decided to build positions in medical suppliers and rebuild
fuel cells. Currently 40-50% cash. I may run cash down ~40%.
May I ask which medical suppliers are your favorites? I like SYK, MDT and MCK myself, but outside of that, I don't know a whole lot about the space. Thanks in advance!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-20-2020, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
7,651 posts, read 4,606,610 times
Reputation: 12713
Quote:
Originally Posted by leastprime View Post
JMO, many cos are being held back bc of DJT incoherent policies.

I would actually agree here, not that I didn't like the original plan of pursuing bilateral agreements and pushing exports....the plan was decent, but even if he's re-elected it would be a like a long dead duck. The Republicans are certainly speculating how to reform themselves.


In hindsight, I almost wish there'd have been the stomach to actually investigate the impeachment in the Senate. A Pence Presidency might have been able to act differently.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-20-2020, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
13,080 posts, read 7,523,914 times
Reputation: 9814
^Dead ducks smell.
Cooked ducks taste bad.
Only Chinese roast duck taste decent only because the is a lot of salt and plum sauce.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-20-2020, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Victory Mansions, Airstrip One
6,762 posts, read 5,063,975 times
Reputation: 9214
Quote:
Originally Posted by leastprime View Post
JMO, many cos are being held back bc of DJT incoherent policies.
All of the tariff nonsense has been counter productive. I work for a public company, and this has been mentioned as a negative in most of the quarterly announcements for the past couple of years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics > Investing
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top