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Old 09-15-2014, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Sunni, the group that commits 70% of the world terrorism.

The same people who brought 9/11, and Boston.

The same people who will bring the next one.
Yes, the very same Sunni. Being roughly 80-90% of the world's Muslims it is almost a certainty that a terrorist wearing the name of Muslim will also believe himself to be Sunni. Nearly all Muslims claim to be Sunni including some Sufi.

Sunni is anyone who claims to follow the Sunnah.

To follow the Sunnah one should adhere to one of the 4 Madhab --Maliki, Hambali,Hanafi or Shafi'i the choice is theirs, but if they follow a madhab it must be just one, and not try to combine them.

The Madhabs are the written Sunnah and are derived from various sources that vary slightly from madhab to madhab. It is also the formal teachings of "Islamic Jurisprudence" commonly called Shariah. It differs by Nation. Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia) differs nation to nation as part of the sources ( in addition to the Qur'an and Hadith.) for Sharia include Opinons of local scholars, Cultural tradition, Vote of the populace

today many Muslims do not follow one of the 4 recognized Madhabs. Some follow Wahhabi/Salafi or no Madhab. Today I believe a very large number of Muslims do not follow any Madhab or cherry pick and follow what they like from each one.

The Shi'ite follow different Hadith, and Madhabs than Sunni follow. I do not believe they even claim to follow Sunnah
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Old 09-15-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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I have found the Sunnah is followed for convenience, by any sect.

Whenever something comes up they like, it is Allahs will.

Whenever something comes up they don't like, its we don't follow that, or that one is not accredited.
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Old 09-15-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I have found the Sunnah is followed for convenience, by any sect.

Whenever something comes up they like, it is Allahs will.

Whenever something comes up they don't like, its we don't follow that, or that one is not accredited.
A lot of truth in that.

We as individuals are personally responsible for our beliefs.

We have the burden of verifying what we believe and do. There is plenty of literature out there if we desire to search.

Some are lazy and follow only what they find fatwas explaining

Some are lazier and just do as they choose and some do searches to the best of their ability and will not follow that which they have not confirmed.

It is all about personal responsibility and each of us alone will have to one day explain our choices and show justification for them. We do not have the Luxury of sayinf Imam So & So or Mufti Whatshisname issued a fatwa or A scholar made me believe it. we hold the responsibility for verifying all things. If we follow wrongly it is our own laziness that allowed that.
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Old 09-16-2014, 11:14 AM
 
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Sunni, the group that commits 70% of the world terrorism.

The same people who brought 9/11, and Boston.

The same people who will bring the next one.

Yes, the very same Sunni. Being roughly 80-90% of the world's Muslims it is almost a certainty that a terrorist wearing the name of Muslim will also believe himself to be Sunni. Nearly all Muslims claim to be Sunni including some Sufi.

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But it is still muslims commiting 90% of the world terror, not Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Atheists, Pagans, Druids, Sikhs, etc.

There is a reason for that, it is not just a coincidence.
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Old 09-16-2014, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Originally Posted by Jim_a49
Sunni, the group that commits 70% of the world terrorism.

The same people who brought 9/11, and Boston.

The same people who will bring the next one.

Yes, the very same Sunni. Being roughly 80-90% of the world's Muslims it is almost a certainty that a terrorist wearing the name of Muslim will also believe himself to be Sunni. Nearly all Muslims claim to be Sunni including some Sufi.

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But it is still muslims commiting 90% of the world terror, not Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Atheists, Pagans, Druids, Sikhs, etc.

There is a reason for that, it is not just a coincidence.
Perhaps it depends on how terrorism is defined. For many people bombing the bejabbers out of Afghanistan and Iraq is considered Terrorism as are the antics of

Joseph Kony and his "Lord's Liberation Army"

The "Christian" witch burnings and torture of suspected bewitched Children in Africa

The people (the Oglala and Lakotah) I am closest to will tell you they have been fighting terrorists since 1492

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Old 09-16-2014, 03:11 PM
 
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Bad examples

Kony represents the Lords Liberation army, one that is rejected by all christen groups.
Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one.

Christian witch burnings, are not associated with anything Christian, but rather their old tribal superstitions.

These examples are actually good examples when a muslim tries to compare Christian terror and muslim terror.

This is usually all they can come up with, or sometimes every ten years or so, some Christian nutcase bombs an abortion clinic.

The muslim terror meter is over 22.000 since 9/11, and getting on the list takes more than just being a muslim, the terror has to be committed for the religion.
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Old 09-16-2014, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Bad examples

Kony represents the Lords Liberation army, one that is rejected by all christen groups.
Calling yourself a Christian does not make you one.

Christian witch burnings, are not associated with anything Christian, but rather their old tribal superstitions.

These examples are actually good examples when a muslim tries to compare Christian terror and muslim terror.

This is usually all they can come up with, or sometimes every ten years or so, some Christian nutcase bombs an abortion clinic.

The muslim terror meter is over 22.000 since 9/11, and getting on the list takes more than just being a muslim, the terror has to be committed for the religion.
In other words:

If an act of terrorism is done by someone claiming to be Muslim, it is proof they are Muslim.

But, if an act of terrorism is done by someone claiming to be Christian, it is proof they are not Christian.
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Old 09-16-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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In other words:

If an act of terrorism is done by someone claiming to be Muslim, it is proof they are Muslim.

But, if an act of terrorism is done by someone claiming to be Christian, it is proof they are not Christian.
No, that is not how it works.

Using the qualifications of the terror meter.

A muslim committing a crime, is not necessarily an act of terror.

He must be commiting it for the religion.

Same goes for Christian or any other religion.

It is not the religion that the person belongs to, so much as the person committing it in the name of the religion.


One example is Tim McVei was the poster child for muslims to attack Christians.

He was mistakenly called a Christian, and his act, Christian terrorism.


In reality, if he was reciting the lords prayer, expecting a reward in heaven for blowing up a bunch of people, it would be Christian terrorism, but that was not the case.
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Old 09-20-2014, 01:26 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Time and time again I'm struck with the irony - these Islamists are happy to utilize infidel technology. If God is truly on their side you'd think they'd have the ability to create rather than to sponge of the devils. It terms of attacking these idiots - in the propaganda stakes it seems like a lost opportunity. Using your enemies creations might be good for a party trick (one obvious terrible example springs to mind), but it doesn't sustain. Perhaps irony is beyond their scope.

Islamic State creates police force in northwest Iraq
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Old 09-24-2014, 06:14 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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A lot of this is the demographics of the Middle East. You have a huge number of young men who have grown up during a bad economy and under oppression regimes. They have no job, no hope of getting and job (and thus getting married). The Arab Spring has mostly failed to create meaningful change, so a group that claims to be the next caliphate seems appealing to angry young men with no purpose in life. That's prime pickings for any terror group from ISIS to the mafia to drug cartels. I read an article about how ISIS gives recruits $150 a DAY and they feel respected because people fear them.

IMO the USA should tie aid money to the Middle East to doing peace corp type jobs to give all those young unemployed men something to do.
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