04-15-2008, 09:02 PM
Location: Klatu Nebula
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OUR STORY OF SHAME...
Is this your story?
Let's say you've done your time in hell... You served stuffing packing into blown-out guts of our young soldiers and airmen. Deep in a mid-Eastern desert, you crouched over the warmth of what remained of the kid you played cards with last night. Steam rises from his body, now open and exposed like a side of beef. Another shot of morphine for "Termite" the other kid, and the one that survived. "Come on kid, you've got to hang on," you utter in prayer under your breath, while the clop, clop, clop of the helicopter grows louder. You wave in response to the request on your radio, repostion yourself, still crouching, when the feeling goes out from your own side. Your belt, shirt and pants are wet from a flood of urine, and blood. Your heart races, looking at the kid, you try and communicate one more time...it's no use, the world is growing dark.
Or?
This is MY story:
Perhaps you show up for another day at the base, break out the new training tools, fill the containers with PK and set up the benches for your morning talk to the young squids. Everyday for months you have hosed them down with your magic chemical... No fire could survive this you tell them as they gasp for air. This is the ultimate....... Suddenly your own throat seizes up. Sweat rolls down your brow. You think for a moment, "Oh God, I shouldn't have..... " The mind is gone, you breifly awaken, tubes in your body, the breath is hard to get. Worse still, that feeding tube. No food will stay down, no drink, nothing works, and you celebrate your 18Th birthday wondering if you'll ever walk again.
Fast forward 10 years, 20, or 30 years. Thank God you've recovered enough to walk around and joke with your friends. Enough to have finally had a series of jobs and a retirement check. Not a normal retirement, but that, that one gets by being unable to stand up to the rigors of the daily grind. Retirement that comes from not having the muscle to pass the physical, unable to walk, or unable to digest your dinner. Dinner? Oh yeah, that's a torture you've endured since Vietnam, Panama or Iraq.
Some foods are better then others:
Fish are good, broiled fish are healthy and fishing offers a little time to relax and get the demands of a busy world off your back. Though your on a fixed income, they say your a hero. A real AMERICAN hero. They have a national holiday to honor you and your friends that didn't make it home. The furniture stores all have a sale in your honor, and the town has a parade for those able to walk 3 miles in the heat and cold. These things are good, but it's fishing you seek. Just take the family or the wife out to the park and spend the day relaxing by the water. As the thought grows in your mind, you think maybe a cabin rental, maybe a little meal at the snack bar, maybe a canoe rental... MAYBE...?
Misfortune has delt you a bad deck of cards once again, for all of your honor, for all of your bravery and love of city, state and country, they plan to charge you full fare to enter their park. Accomodations are scant for those with special needs, and Jacksonville, Florida, that queen of the Florida Military is demanding FULL FARE for your admission to her parks. FULL FARE for that canoe rental, or cabin... FULL PRICE FOR EVERYTHING... After all, you are a citizen just like everyone else and they want you to pay to play. Sadly they missed that day back in 1969, or 2006, when you and your friends paid the ultimate price. Jacksonville and Florida need to sweep these old rules away and come into the new era of honor and respect for those who have given so much. Can't we give something back? After all, these men and women deserve an afternoon or evening in one of our heavenly parks, you see, the've already done their time in hell.
Other States and even other Cities are way ahead of us on this, here is a sample...
NEW MEXICO:
Free State Park Day Use Passes for Disabled Veterans
Any veteran who is rated 50% or higher service-connected disabled by the VA and is a resident of New Mexico qualifies for an annual day pass and three free nights of camping. To apply, obtain the application from any DVS field office or download it here. Complete and send the application according to the instructions and attach a copy of your NM drivers license and a copy of the VA award letter showing a rating of 50% or higher
CALIFORNIA:
State Parks and Recreation Pass
The Benefits: A lifetime State of California Parks pass for only $3.50.
Who May Be Eligible: Any veteran with a service-connected disability rated at 50% or greater, or a former Prisoner of War.
http://img.timeinc.net/Life/lifebooks/military/gallery/vietnam_wounded.jpg (broken link)
GEORGIA:
Reduced Fees for Disabled Veterans: Any service connected disabled veteran who was discharged under honorable conditions can visit/use state parks historical sites and recreational areas at reduced rates.
TEXAS:
Free Park Admission for Disabled Veterans
Free admission to Texas State Parks is available to any veteran who has a service-connected disability, which is rated 60% or more by VA, or a service-connected disability, which has resulted in the loss of a lower extremity. Application may be made at the headquarters office of any Texas State park by providing satisfactory evidence of service-connected disability. If such evidence is not readily available, it can be obtained from the VA regional office where the claims folder is located. The Texas State Parklands Passport is available to any veteran who meets the disability requirements, whether or not he or she resides in Texas. The Passport provides only free admission to the State parks, and does not exempt anyone from payment of other charges, such as camping fees, etc. We have provided a link to the Texas Parks and Wildlife website for your convenience.
NEW HAMPSHIRE:
State Park Admission
NH veterans with any VA service-connected disability rating shall not be charged a fee for day-use admission to NH state parks. Disabled veteran license plates issued by the state of NH, or a letter issued by the VA certifying the veteran suffers from a service-connected disability shall be considered proof of entitlement. Any fees for the use of enterprise activities (including ski lifts, food service, campgrounds, etc.) shall be charged.
Any active member of a federally-recognized unit of the NH national guard who is a legal resident of this state and is serving (or who retired) in pay grades E-1 through E-6 shall not be charged a fee for admission to the state park system. Any fees for the use of enterprise activities (including ski lifts, food service, campgrounds, etc.) shall be charged.
So how could it work here? Both the City of Jacksonville, the Beaches and the State of Florida need to revise their rules. The National Park Service already issues a "passport" for their parks to anyone who proves they are 100% disabled veterans. They simply require a form DD214 and the disability award letter issued by the VA. ANY NPS office, Ft. Caroline, Seashore, St. Augustine etc... can issue the passport. Rather then reinvent the wheel, why not use the NPS passport, and or the Florida State Disabled Veterans ID card as a pass for all of our parks? I would suggest that we follow the NPS lead and the veteran and his family (or carload) get into the park for free. We wave all entry fee's for 100% disabled veterans. Another approach is to wave the fees on veterans of 50% or more as some states do it. Almost all of them seem to include the families in the deal.
Secondly, the matter of discounts or vendors, most states/cities allow for a discount on camping, cabins, boats etc of a fair amount, while any concessions carry an understood 10% - 25% off retail. This would include things like canoe rentals, horseback riding or swim lessons.
One way for us to attract solid citizens, salt of the earth new residents, is to get in line with the rest of the country as she honors her war veterans. Locally, we should shine... God bless our veterans!
Care for our disabled veterans? How much are they worth to you? Look closely... They did DOLLARS too... even today they give you a sort of sick sinking feeling.
http://oldtoolsforsale.com/smiley6/cry3.gif (broken link) Ocklawaha
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04-15-2008, 09:32 PM
Location: West Virginia
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As a vet I think you got a good idea...but IF you want to change things cant do it here.
Go to your local VA start a petition...send it to the Gov
04-15-2008, 09:42 PM
Location: Jax
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I know there's a fee to get into Hanna Park...which other parks require a fee, Ock?
And am I understanding right, there never
was a discount for veterans? Or was there a discount that Jax is now taking away?
04-15-2008, 09:47 PM
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What am I missing about the money? Why does "one peso" (that should read "un peso") say "The Japanese government" on the top?
04-15-2008, 10:54 PM
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It's a peso from the Philippines (also names their currency the peso) from when the Japanese occupied the Phillipines.
Last edited by ck123; 04-15-2008 at 10:57 PM ..
Reason: spelling
04-16-2008, 07:25 AM
Location: Klatu Nebula
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Get it in front of the troops
Yes, I realize things won't change by posting this here, however, it will get the "push" for such things in front of more people.
Florida has promised to come in line with the other states some 5+ years ago, but so far not a single thing has been done to offer our veterans a break in taking the family to the park.
The money is as CK says, I placed a photo of it here so some people could calculate how much value there is in giving the Vets a park pass. This money was scooped up by our toops, It was indeed issued by the IMPERIAL JAPANESE GOVERNMENT. Also found with this was boxes of US dollars drawn on the Imperial Bank of Japan. Chilling as it is, it sort of gives a currency to the dollar value of a veteran.
Now that we have this in front of the troops, who can help? Is there anyone out there who can get the City to move their fees? How about at State level? Where should we start and with whom?
Ocklawaha
06-05-2008, 07:18 AM
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Active military Combat Duty Grant
the city of jax is giving a grant to military homeowners who leave for combat duty in the form of a rebate on their property taxes, among other things that they do. As a Navy wife, army brat, airforce mom... I know that each soldier/squid/etc has chosen this profession not for discounts but because they believe this is what they are suppose to do. I think your passion is commendable, but parks are public for all to use and should be kept up. For this they need money. Maybe you could direct your passion into a more serious forum, like care for the wounded after they return?
06-05-2008, 12:21 PM
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Might want to vote for Obama too in Nov as I hear McCain wants to decrease the benefits vets now receive.
07-06-2011, 07:11 PM
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The City of Jacksonville and State of Florida does indeed honor it's Veterans. It provides free admission for Veterans with disabilities and other discounts for Veterans with a honorable discharge. Just go to Florida State Parks and check out the information regarding the annual pass.
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Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)