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That is perfectly normal and expected. The employer is in business to make profits. That means more revenue and less expense. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.
But when you hire someone at a subsistence level wage for jobs requiring a certain skillset -- for example, a chemist -- they will leave as soon as a better-paying position becomes available.
Here’s an example of the madness - I got this "exciting engineering opportunity" in my email a month or so back.
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Below are some key highlights of the position, if this is of interest please let me know. I would be happy to arrange a time to discuss the details and /or to further determine which types of opportunities you may be interested in exploring.
Location: Laurel, MD Term: Temp Contract
Title: Manufacturing Engineer I – 000/3242 NOTE: NEW - Candidates will need experience with Minitab, ORACLE and Pro/E. Position requires a Bachelors degree and 2 or more years experience reviewing engineering documentation for updates/changes. looking for local candidates. They will need safety shoes and glasses for this 1st shift 40 hour per week position.
Brief Job Description:
• You will be a part of a Manufacturing Engineering team supporting a wide range of infant care products for both NICU and Labor & Delivery settings.
• Members of this team perform a number of crossfunctional duties as needed to support production and ensure our products are manufactured to meet quality, reliability and cost requirements in addition to meeting or exceeding customer expectations.
• The main emphasis of this position will be day to day manufacturing support including production process & equipment troubleshooting, process documentation creation and updating, and production process improvement.
• This position will also have the opportunity to participate in transitioning processes to the CLIENT Production System (formerly Lean).
• This is a senior engineering role that will have a significant effect on Quality, Cost and Delivery of current and future CARE products.
• You will be expected to drive to goals at times with minimal supervision, to analyze designs and investigate failures, implement technical solutions and document your process steps.
• You may also supervise or coordinate the work of others to achieve specific business goals.
Specific Skills/Requirements:
• BS in an Engineering discipline. • Minimum of 5 years work experience in Manufacturing Engineering, Support, or Operations with at least 2 years working in a medical products environment is preferred.
• Experience in mechanical design including assembly layout, GD&T, tolerance and process capability stack-ups is also preferred.
• Familiar with general processes of Engineering Change Orders (ECOs), Temporary Change Orders (TCs), Product Rework. Knowledge of FDA Quality Systems Regulations.
• Demonstrated leadership and problem solving skills.
• Excellent communication, interpersonal and influencing skills.
• Flexible and capable of dealing with multiple projects crossing functional boundaries.
• Six Sigma Greenbelt certification or training.
• May require occasional travel.
• Overtime will be required as necessary.
• You must be willing to take a drug test as part of the selection process.
• You must be willing to submit to a background investigation as part of the selection process.
Desired:
• Six Sigma Blackbelt certification or training.
• *Pro-E or other CAD tool experience.
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Summary: So, engineering jobs with 5+ years of experience requirements are now only worthy of a TEMPORARY, contract position, despite this job requiring the kitchen sink to be "qualified." And it only pays about $25 an hour, which wouldn't be terrible if it was a full-time job, but it isn't. The contract would last, at most, 6-months, from what the recruiter told me. I also can't be the only one who "loves" the idea of a senior engineering role for infant care related medical equipment being a temp job. What could go wrong with that? It's as stupid as the temp-job airframe analysis engineering positions I saw a few years ago... nothing like putting a ton of responsibility on a poorly paid temp work who won't be around to fix the problems when they come up later. Brilliant!
Gee, I wonder why companies are having a hard time finding people with a laundry list of narrow requirements for temporary contract work that doesn't even pay all that well? What a surprise! Who'd have guessed?! But nevermind that - let's just keep outsourcing the jobs, increasing the requirements, and getting rid of job security or real jobs. What could go wrong?
It's absolutely ridiculous. It's the greediness of the companies that has destroyed the economy.
But let's not forget the company owners must receive their 6-figure bonuses, country club memberships, and other company paid perks.
This discussion is all about blaming the employers. People are claiming there are millions of qualified applicants, but these greedy nasty employers deliberately bypass them in favor of underpaid foreigners flooding in to take away our jobs.
Not true! No employer wants to outsource or hire in foreigners who have a language barrier, culture barrier, expenses and liabilities associated with a work visa, etc.
Employers would greatly prefer to have someone local, someone familiar and easy to communicate with, someone they go to church with. The problem is, it's impossible to find such people.
I'd warrant that no one reading this has ever had to hire anybody, has no clue what it's like from the point of view of someone trying to get work done and unable to find qualified, hard working, humble, honest people to help out. Hint: they don't exist anymore in this country.
Instead what one gets is a depressing succession of people with substance abuse problems, people with an entitlement mentality who would sue their employer at a moment's notice, who try to get away with the bare minimum effort needed to not get fired, who steal and lie whenever it benefits them to do so, who might suddenly quit and leave you in the lurch no matter how nicely you treat them.
People from developing countries don't have as many of these decadent ways, they seem more willing to work very hard and invest themselves into the company with loyalty and pride in their work and respect for authority. This is the type of person who made this a great country. Not the lazy entitled ones, who are basically leeches and parasites, but the hard working ones who you might call naive and foolish for trusting the employer. But guess what. At the end of the day, that's the kind of person who took us to the moon and back.
There are plenty of jobs out there for people willing to work hard. You can go to the oil fields of North Dakota and make $80K driving a truck, $40K washing dishes, etc. It's an oil boom up there. It seems that a lot of folks would rather sit around and complain about their lot in life, than get off their lazy duffs and do something about it. I have no patience for such people. And I have no patience for those who say such people deserve anything more than the poverty in which they prefer to wallow.
That North Dakota line you hear on Rush, Hannity and Beck's shows are a lie. There was a time when this was true; any swinging D with a pair of boots could go up there and nail it.
Now, they're running above ground mains to replace drivers/trucks and every platform making bit connections requires big experience. Sure, if you're a west Texas wildcat then go ahead and move to make the big dough.
If you're johnny six-pack looking for a quick buck filling a mud tank, forget it. Jobs don't exist for you there.
It's absolutely ridiculous. It's the greediness of the companies that has destroyed the economy.
But let's not forget the company owners must receive their 6-figure bonuses, country club memberships, and other company paid perks.
Lol, I love those job ads. Sometimes I go through my competitors' websites looking at what they're trying to fill job wise. All of the jobs in the house (office) have requirements I couldn't even fill. Here I am, running a more successful company. I know for fact most of their own workers can't even meet those requirements and here they are, working. I'm unsure if its just wishful thinking or the HR flunkie that posted the ad received frontal lobe injuries from an accident.
You let HR get involved and it's over. Keep the flunked out real estate agents from ever entering a business is what I say.
It's absolutely ridiculous. It's the greediness of the companies that has destroyed the economy.
But let's not forget the company owners must receive their 6-figure bonuses, country club memberships, and other company paid perks.
Of course. Because they "earned" it by backstabbing, lying, and laying other people off, and because "business exists to make a profit" so it's okay for them to destroy the economy provided they make money. Yeah, and termites exist to eat wood... I guess that means we should let them destroy our homes provided they eat the wood in them - it's about the same logic...
"Instead what one gets is a depressing succession of people with substance abuse problems, people with an entitlement mentality who would sue their employer at a moment's notice, who try to get away with the bare minimum effort needed to not get fired, who steal and lie whenever it benefits them to do so, who might suddenly quit and leave you in the lurch no matter how nicely you treat them."
And yet at the same point the same can be said about companies as well. Remember Enron, Worldcom,Adelphia etc. How about the fall of 2008 when nearly every major corporation went and received bailouts from the Federal Reserve...and it took a major lawsuit from Bloomberg to get the client list!
"People from developing countries don't have as many of these decadent ways, they seem more willing to work very hard and invest themselves into the company with loyalty and pride in their work and respect for authority. This is the type of person who made this a great country. Not the lazy entitled ones, who are basically leeches and parasites, but the hard working ones who you might call naive and foolish for trusting the employer. But guess what. At the end of the day, that's the kind of person who took us to the moon and back."
No decadent ways? Have you been overseas over the past few decades? Do you know that in other countries they WANT overtime, holidays and even *gasp* unions? Lookup Foxconn and see how they work. Certainly they are willing to work hard but there is no real loyalty. Anyone worth their weight in salt in this economy could jump ship if they had another offer. The era of 30 years in and out with a pension and a gold watch is over (at least in the private sector)
"There are plenty of jobs out there for people willing to work hard. You can go to the oil fields of North Dakota and make $80K driving a truck, $40K washing dishes, etc. It's an oil boom up there."
It WAS an oil boom out there. Not sure if you noticed but it's dropped 10% recently. Read the news and then understand it. Once the sanctions gradually dissolve with Iran the price will drop like a rock. 37 million barrels of oil are waiting to be shipped, they are sitting on tankers as I write this. 2 million barrels a day could be put on the market the second they take it off and probably more than that because the demand is high.List of countries by oil production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you want to play with commodities that's fine but remember what happened in 2008 heck how about the early 1980's with the Hunt Brothers and the silver market? The same economists that called the housing/credit bubble in 2008 are now saying the same about the housing market in the developing world. After 2008 it was largely argued that India and China had enough demand to cause prices to go back up. Ok fine but what happens when that slows. In some of these countries the oil market isn't even set by the market but by the government. I've seen rates go up 8% overnight. If it can go that far up overnight it can go that far down overnight as well.
North Dakota is fine and all but frankly oil booms and busts. I have family that lived in Texas from the 70's to 80's and saw it personally. Besides why would anything need to be shipped by truck when pipelines and rail are faster and cheaper? CSX advertises that they can move a whole rail car 450 miles on one gallon a fuel. What's the price of fueling up a whole truck again?
Besides do you *really* want to live in a trailer? Photos: Oil boom changes the face of North Dakota | MPR News Photos | Minnesota Public Radio News
The boom created a housing shortage with drives up the cost of housing which means that in a labor intensive market you cannot really wait for a house to be made so it results in living in a trailer. Keep in mind many of these people are here for just the money and will go "home" once they have enough. They might not really be interested in the market just making it while it's there. What happens next can be ugly. I've worked with coal miners that had no coal mining left to do. They set up retail stores (steel racking, beams you name it) it's a short term project for a few weeks tops. Then they go to another.and another etc.
Chasing cheap and easy money is not a good idea. It wasn't a good idea with the dot com bubble in 2000 and wasn't a good idea with the housing bubble in 2008 and certainly is not a good idea today with energy. If you crunch the numbers North Dakota alone cannot absorb all of the unemployed of the USA...not even close. The number of active rigs is statistically flat for the past two years. https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/riglist.asp If the industry was confident in production they would have increased it significantly after 2011, but they didn't.
That North Dakota line you hear on Rush, Hannity and Beck's shows are a lie. There was a time when this was true; any swinging D with a pair of boots could go up there and nail it.
Now, they're running above ground mains to replace drivers/trucks and every platform making bit connections requires big experience. Sure, if you're a west Texas wildcat then go ahead and move to make the big dough.
If you're johnny six-pack looking for a quick buck filling a mud tank, forget it. Jobs don't exist for you there.
HaHave you checked the job market there lately? Or are you just guessing? They still have really low unemployment numbers. If not North Dakota, try Oklahoma or Texas. My dad's landscaper just moved to Duncan to make 80K as a roughneck.
There's still a lot of opportunities out there.
But that's beside the point. If you have the drive, you can make a go of it anywhere. Complaining is pointless. Just be a shark, constantly on the lookout for a good prospect. My nephew, at 24, is trying 24x7 to break into something big. He started a money management website, he taught himself website design, he wrote a book on online poker... This kid doesn't sit around feeling sorry for himself; he's an entrepreneur and one day he'll make it big.
Of course. Because they "earned" it by backstabbing, lying, and laying other people off, and because "business exists to make a profit" so it's okay for them to destroy the economy provided they make money. Yeah, and termites exist to eat wood... I guess that means we should let them destroy our homes provided they eat the wood in them - it's about the same logic...
If you were a business owner or C-level executive and they offered you a six figure or seven figure income, would you decline it? Because you're a "termite" eating away at the foundations of society? How ridiculous. I'm quite sure you would gladly keep any money you make, as would any business owner. If you want to live in a society where such is not the case, I think there are still one or two socialist paradises left--North Korea might take you in.
It's been my experience that those who are the most self-righteous tend to be the most selfish ones of all. There's no true believer like the converted. All those idealistic Baby Boomers from the 1960s are now the very selfsame management that they used to look down on, only worse because they have even fewer scruples and self-discipline than did previous generations.
Not in all cases. Take Coach leather goods, a minor luxury brand. They used to be American made. They started outsourcing production to China and factories in other low cost countries. Did they pass any of the savings onto their consumers? NO!!! They still charged the same prices for their products even though they were saving a lot in production costs due to lower wages. Also in many cases, outsourcing is not product based. Everybody thinks manufacturing all the time, but services are outsourced too. There are plenty of accountants in the USA for example that are outsourcing tax preparation on the sly to low wage countries like India for pennies on the dollar THEIR cost and charging their American clients FULL American prices. They pocket all the difference and they don't even tell their clients what they are up to.
I still maintain that consumers ultimately still pay the higher price and hence the companies can still do this. Coach is a unique example as when you have a brand reputation like that, you will still have customers. Besides, how do we know they didn't have to do this because sales fell 50% so they had to figure out a way to cut manufacturing costs in order to survive? Otherwise maybe they would have had to do major staffing cuts.
Accountants and doctors do outsource, but they are also in professions that get away with certain fee levels. You don't see doctors and accountants (generally) having coupons or fire sales--because they don't have to. They're one of the big three--doctors, lawyers, accountants. And these professions generally don't lose out no matter what is happening in the world.
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