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On The Torah is Not in Heaven ...My apologies to Woodrow and others who would have not recognized the reference in my previous post. It's a great and widely known little story (midrash) and deservedly so - especially when counterposed to the bibliolatry that too often characterizes theological discourse.
The bottom line is that theflipflop's false dilemma - to paraphrase ...
Screw Torah. [or]
Screw God.
was contemptuous and disingenuous in the extreme. He has every right to observe Shabbat the way he does. He has absolutely no right to denigrate charolastra00 for doing likewise. Her service should be applauded.
Her service should definitly be applauded, if she were to do it on the other 6 days of the week where such work activity is permitted. She chose to do it on the one day of the week where she did "screw Torah," and in doing so, did "screw G-d." And she likely chose to do this work on the Shabbos out of her personal convenience, when clearly there were other options.
And sure, it's fun to discuss such noble lofty examples such as helping cancer patients, but it's really all rendered moot as soon as she turns on a television that same Shabbos day she helped a cancer survivor, or drives to the grocery store to buy some milk. Explain to me where that type of activity is permitted. And then how man, as terribly limited as we are, gets to decide the difference between buying milk on Shabbos and driving to help a cancer patient.
Her service should definitly be applauded, if she were to do it on the other 6 days of the week where such work activity is permitted. She chose to do it on the one day of the week where she did "screw Torah," and in doing so, did "screw G-d." And she likely chose to do this work on the Shabbos out of her personal convenience, when clearly there were other options.
And sure, it's fun to discuss such noble lofty examples such as helping cancer patients, but it's really all rendered moot as soon as she turns on a television that same Shabbos day she helped a cancer survivor, or drives to the grocery store to buy some milk. Explain to me where that type of activity is permitted. And then how man, as terribly limited as we are, gets to decide the difference between buying milk on Shabbos and driving to help a cancer patient.
Hence why one should not post on a silly web forum on Shabbos. I've decided to report you all to Hashem next time I see you post on Shabbos.
No. Explain to us where in the Torah it's proscribed.
If your question is serious, I would say start with Tractate Shabbos - Art Scroll / Shottenstein has it in a 3-book edition with excellent translations and commentary included. The entire tractate explains the mesorah Moshe Rabbeinu was given at Mount Sinai with regards to Shabbos. It forms the basic foundation with which the Tannaim, Amoraim, Rishonim, etc have taught k'lal yisroel normative Shabbos halacha.
Oh wait, I forgot, you deny the validity of the Oral Torah and only accept half of the Torah - the written Torah. Sorry, that makes us unable to have a proper discussion on the subject, as you only proscribe to half of the Jewish view on anything (a fact, not a judgement).
Rebuke comes in mnay forms, hiker. This Judaism forum is truly on the farthest edges of normative Judaism. This forum is filled mostly with angry, off the derech Jews and non-Jews who have agendas against Judaism. At this point, I think more solid rebuke is what's best. Hippy dippy, practice as you see fit Judaism (which primarily takes the form of denying the validity of the Torah) has always been a recipe for non-existence for us Jews. I prefer to follow the prooven formula for keeping and growing the Jewish people, of which rebuke is a solid piece of that formula.
I can't control if you all decide to drive yours cars or turn on your tv's on Shabbos. Or if you go to work on Shabbos. But I can ask again: could any of you agree to not post on Shabbos? (We've had one poster here agree so far - nice job, 1+1 - who else is onboard with the Torah?)
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