[tiger08]

Originally Posted by yellowsnow

I ponder this one too but it all fits into a bigger picture.

Yes, this is a generalization but I've found it to be true. The best jobs are always located in places where you don't want to live. And conversely, any place you want to live will have no decent jobs.

Why is this?

Las Vegas area has large tracts of undeveloped land. A huge workforce used to low pay and shiftwork. Also an amazing number of well educated people who are consistently underemployed. A favorable tax structure compared to most places in the US. Close to the west coast for shipping and good freeway access for moving goods and supplies.

I think we should be doing better than we are.

I agree on everything, except the freeway situation. The freeway is great until you hit stateline, from there it's crap! California has been dragging their butt for years on widening from stateline to Barstow.

[TexasVines]

Originally Posted by Spraynard Kruger

...............

Your argument made its point, crashed into the ground and blew up upon takeoff.

I now give you a scene from the movie Billy Madison:

Principal: Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison: Okay, a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

your post might have some validity if you tried to explain how mine "crashed"

just because you think the vast majority of society wants to live in a place that revolves around the 24X7 lifestyle or more importantly that the vast majority of society would find it remotely entertaining to go around the corner to the local Cstore/"big time casino" does not make it so

and the crashing and burning of the crappy McCasinos in the vast majority of places that have tried them proves that out in my favor not yours

and just because a place still has a casino after 3-4 bankruptcies and ever lowered taxes and "payouts" on those "successful" casinos VS what was promised when they are opened does not mean they have been a true success or that they have brought anything positive to the places they are located

in the vast majority of places they are tried casinos are give up jobs and a give up industry for people that have no clue how to bring jobs to their area....Vegas was successful because in the past casinos WERE their area....now Vegas has to compete for the dollars of every Indian Smoke Shop and crappy Cstore and truck stop in 65%+ of the USA and it has caught up to you along with the concept of wasting billions to try and make Vegas like Italy or France or anywhere else.....when it is not and never will be

industry won't come there and exporting the industry you have to the rest of America is like exporting any other job....if done wrong it is worse than before...and Vegas is feeling that

[Spraynard Kruger]

Originally Posted by TexasVines

your post might have some validity if you tried to explain how mine "crashed"

My response was humorous, so please do not lose sight of that fact. Okay?

And before you decide to opine on this, just remember you asked for it.

Fail point #1

Your argument was framed with a "if I fling enough verbal poo at the wall, my argument might stick," format. Your lack of cohesion, coupled with complete disregard for the English language, sentence structure and punctuation, made it very difficult to read. Even if you had used proper punctuation and sentence structure, I don't know exactly what your point was. I glossed it over again. At one point, you were rambling about horses and other non sequiturs.

just because you think the vast majority of society wants to live in a place that revolves around the 24X7 lifestyle........

Fail #2

I never said anything about what I think. Are you a mind reader?

and the crashing and burning of the crappy McCasinos in the vast majority of places that have tried them proves that out in my favor not yours

and just because a place still has a casino after 3-4 bankruptcies and ever lowered taxes and "payouts" on those "successful" casinos VS what was promised when they are opened does not mean they have been a true success or that they have brought anything positive to the places they are located

Fail #3

The thread is about "what is preventing more companies/industries from moving to Las Vegas." Refer to fail point #1.

in the vast majority of places they are tried casinos are give up jobs and a give up industry for people that have no clue how to bring jobs to their area....Vegas was successful because in the past casinos WERE their area....now Vegas has to compete for the dollars of every Indian Smoke Shop and crappy Cstore and truck stop in 65%+ of the USA and it has caught up to you along with the concept of wasting billions to try and make Vegas like Italy or France or anywhere else.....when it is not and never will be

Fail #4

Refer to fail point #1.

industry won't come there and exporting the industry you have to the rest of America is like exporting any other job....if done wrong it is worse than before...and Vegas is feeling that

If you had stuck with this single train of thought, your argument might have had some validity.

Please don't embarass yourself any more. Just go away.

[TexasVines]

no industry comes to Vegas because you have made yourself too expensive for basic industry to have a decent wage and cost point to locate there

you have stretched your available natural resources to the point that the price and availability of them makes them not cost effective to locate a basic industry there

and now to try and solve that you have exported the one industry you were successful at to other places thinking there is some benefit in that.....and you have done it unsuccessfully

and believe me plenty of people are staying away myself included and the fact that Vegas is filled with people like you that can't have an in depth discussion on why you are in the shape you are in or understand how you got there is one of the major reasons why

[MediocreButArrogant]

Originally Posted by yellowsnow

Also an amazing number of well educated people who are consistently underemployed.

Are you serious? Las Vegas has one of the worst educated workforces of any large city in the USA. Every one of my friends who has relocated from CA has gone through culture shock getting used to dealing with the uneducated, barely literate Las Vegas simpletons who are the majority here. "McCarran" is not only the answer to where you go for good health care in Las Vegas, it's also the answer to where you go for intellectual stimulation.

[tony soprano]

Now that you've managed to put a few recognizable points together - as opposed to the previous unpunctuated, stream of conscious mess, let's take a look at them -

Originally Posted by TexasVines

no industry comes to Vegas because you have made yourself too expensive for basic industry to have a decent wage and cost point to locate there

you have stretched your available natural resources to the point that the price and availability of them makes them not cost effective to locate a basic industry there

I live in a state that perennially makes the list of top ten least business-friendly states in the Union, yet California also has the highest state GDP by a wide margin. On a per-capita basis, CA still cracks the top ten GDP ranking. Yet, all this happens with much higher taxes, much higher cost of housing, more expensive labor, and much more regulation than Vegas. How can this be?

and now to try and solve that you have exported the one industry you were successful at to other places thinking there is some benefit in that.....and you have done it unsuccessfully

There's been no benefit? Really? Asian Casinos Save Las Vegas Sands (LVS)

and believe me plenty of people are staying away myself included and the fact that Vegas is filled with people like you that can't have an in depth discussion on why you are in the shape you are in or understand how you got there is one of the major reasons why

If you're going to explain to others why Vegas is in the shape it is, and how it got there, I think you'll need to hit the books a little harder.

[youngblud]

Originally Posted by MediocreButArrogant

...culture shock getting used to dealing with the uneducated, barely literate Las Vegas simpletons who are the majority here.

"785 million adults worldwide; one in five adults is still not literate with two-thirds of them being women." [gse.ed.uiuc]

I'm looking forward to dealing with Vegas simpletons. It could be much much worse. You want simple, travel through Asia ugh. I say, you guys are blessed melting pot and you should view yourself as a top world city.

[Coney]

I've kind of wondered the same thing. When Las Vegas was exploding and booming during the 1990s, why didn't city government make a stronger effort to lure other types of businesses to the valley so that the business community would be more diverse and no so dependent on tourism and the hotel/casino industry? Were the casinos trying to prevent that from happening?

Whatever happend to that high speed rail idea of linking Las Vegas to LA so that Las Vegas was supposed to be a bedroom community of LA. Not saying that was a good idea, but I guess it is totally dead now.

It seemed as if Las Vegas had this fabulous unique opportunity for growth to turn it into a well-balanced serious major city, but didn't take advantage of the timing.

[Robustus]

Originally Posted by Coney

It seemed as if Las Vegas had this fabulous unique opportunity for growth to turn it into a well-balanced serious major city, but didn't take advantage of the timing.

Assuming Vegas gets out of the current mess, which will likely take some time, hopefully the lesson of economic diversification will have been learned, and the economy will be diversified in the next growth phase.

[sdreloc]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Many types of manufacturing requires access to a lot of water -- semiconductor manufacturing, for example. Las Vegas is at a big disadvantage - even relative to Phoenix (Intel has wafer fabrications plants in a suburb of Phoenix, for example) & New Mexico (ditto).

Then of course there isn't much of a supply of PhDs in electrical engineering or material science, either... biotech/bioengineering either for that matter.

But on the plus side there are a lot of retired executives who know a fair bit about running a business. That management expertise could be leveraged more effectively.

So, a chip-making plant makes no sense in Las Vegas, but there are plenty of industries that do not use unusual amounts of water.
A corporate campus of some large company. A large office park filled with offices of dozens of small companies that may want to base themseves in Las Vegas instead of Phoenix or Los Angeles to save money.
If they can't find enough qualified locals, it may be easier to attract people to relocate to Las Vegas than to the south or midwest or the most expensive parts of California and the north east without having to pay high salaries.