[dwntwnradar]

More enforcement, go after the employers. Here legal or leave!

[Matt121779]

Originally Posted by dwntwnradar

More enforcement, go after the employers. Here legal or leave!

Arizona and Oklahoma recently passed tough laws that go after employers directly. We'll see what affect it has. I've read some news reports that indicate people are already leaving those states.

[Whtlite]

Originally Posted by Matt121779

Arizona and Oklahoma recently passed tough laws that go after employers directly. We'll see what affect it has. I've read some news reports that indicate people are already leaving those states.

That is exactly what it is going to take. If the employers are fined they won't keep hiring the illegals, therefore the illegals can't stay and will self deport.

[Julia B.]

As a Libertarian, I do not think that we should even have immigration laws. People should be able to live wherever the hell they want to live without having to jump through governmental hoops to live there.

D-Rat: Please don't take this as an attack or a criticism. (I like you/your posts.) It's merely an observation: what you stated above strikes me as being an anarchistic rather than a libertarian viewpoint.

Do you know what I mean? The lack of borders between countries might have been an idealistic and libertarian notion in a bygone era, but in today's world, it just seems to me to be a reckless attitude; one that would cause utter chaos and disorder.

So far, the human race as a whole hasn't appeared to be able to or to even want to live up to Utopian ideals. And I can't imagine us doing so any time soon.

Too bad...

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by Matt121779

Arizona and Oklahoma recently passed tough laws that go after employers directly. We'll see what affect it has. I've read some news reports that indicate people are already leaving those states.

And a UofA economists says that it may well take over 8% out of the AZ economy if it actually happens. I think virtually all the exiting though is to other states not Mexico...and includes a lot of legal and ciatizen hispanics who don't like the climate created.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by olecapt

And a UofA economists says that it may well take over 8% out of the AZ economy if it actually happens. I think virtually all the exiting though is to other states not Mexico...and includes a lot of legal and ciatizen hispanics who don't like the climate created.

Then again, it may be much less.

Additionally, the reduction of taxes necessary, that go towards services for illegals (in excess of 1 billion dollars 2006 - according to the AZ dept of econ security), there may be a net gain for the state -

As for where they are going - New Mexico is not reporting substantial increases - so. cal is not - but according to the border patrol there has been an increase in traffic INTO mexico - is it the illegals? Don't know -

But, they are leaving here - and, that is a very good thing.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Then again, it may be much less.

Additionally, the reduction of taxes necessary, that go towards services for illegals (in excess of 1 billion dollars 2006 - according to the AZ dept of econ security), there may be a net gain for the state -

As for where they are going - New Mexico is not reporting substantial increases - so. cal is not - but according to the border patrol there has been an increase in traffic INTO mexico - is it the illegals? Don't know -

But, they are leaving here - and, that is a very good thing.

Anythign near 8% will but AZ into a recession. And they may as well be low as high. And any replacement of the illegals with legals of whatever the source vastly increases the state costs.

And as you and I both know the costs to AZ are offset by payments to the US Treasury and well over a third are the cost of schooling the children of illegals who are US Citizens. Got to cheat when we do the numbers don't we? And as you well know most of those children will end up on the welfare rolls at much increased costs if their parents are deported.

I would think those moving are sufficiently few in number to be undetectable wherever they go..Hundreds I heard. Nevada would certainly accomodate those kinds of numbers and never notice.

[Matt121779]

Originally Posted by olecapt

And a UofA economists says that it may well take over 8% out of the AZ economy if it actually happens. I think virtually all the exiting though is to other states not Mexico...and includes a lot of legal and ciatizen hispanics who don't like the climate created.

I am sure that is true, and it may indeed put the AZ economy into a short term recession. But this law is based on the big picture and that is what we all need to keep in mind. Yes, this law will have a very negative impact on businesses initially. It's like getting punched in the gut. But over time, as businesses go back to following the law, the state budget will rebound and things will get back to the up and up.

Many people think that the illegal immigration issue is a lost cause; and that things have gotten so bad that we cannot correct ourselves. That is untrue. This problem will be corrected state by state. It is clear that our ferderal government is going to do nothing to resolve this issue. Arizona and Oklahoma have taken the first steps at fighting back against illegal immigration. Sure, the whole thing might backfire and blow up their faces, but at least these states are moving forward and making changes to law, whereas most states will just sit back and allow millions to go down the drain.

If you removed every illegal immigrant from Las Vegas overnight; yes, the economy here would get a little shakey, but I can promise that the tourism would not drop. The economy here would adapt; without question.

[NSEW]

They aint human beings. I dont know what they think they are, but they aint human.

[gulfer]

I jumped in this a little late, but not sure what/who NSEW is referring to.

I personally (no bashing here - just my opinion). Let em work, pay taxes, pay insurance, etc... We have too many people that were born into this system that feel they are OWED plenty and don't work at all.

Or: Get em all out and have them apply (but FIX that system - it is TERRIBLE) and have all the welfare recipients take their jobs.

However they fix this, and some would/should be grandfathered (they have been working here for decades), I hope that they put some stipulation on families. Family member convicted of being a criminal, then DEPORT everyone of them. Come to think of it, would be a much better country to live in if we did that with legals as well.