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Sure, cops are very observant people and aware of their surroundings, even in the process of a pursuit.
Really, what is the difference between coming home to find your house burglarized and coming home and finding stuff missing? If someone comes into your house with the intention of committing a crime (Stealing your stuff) than your house has been burglarized, plain and simple.
Case in point, a factual story of my own home being burglarized in California City, CA. It was 1995 and my wife got home from whatever she was doing around 1PM. She enters the house through the garage does some stuff in the bedroom etc and eventually walks by the kitchen and sees the door to the patio is open. She calls me and first and then she called Cal City's finest and she gets out of the house. About 45 minutes later the po-po arrive and they go through the house and nothing is missing. Guns, jewelry, electronics, cash etc all present and accounted for. The police took a quick B&E report but that was about it. Several hours passed and my wife went to make dinner. She goes to the fridge and opens it and BAM! It is empty! Yep, some a-hole (Our next door neighbor) lifted his child up through the kitchen sink window and then that child went to the larger patio door and opened that for the adult. They then closed the window above the sink and hustled the food out through the patio door. No sign whatsoever of forced entry.
Not all burglaries result in houses being completely wiped out or ransacked or turn into confrontations between the homeowner and the knucklehead that broke in. You are the one making up those details to try to justify your position that every cop in town will respond in force to a burglary call. Let me assure you again that you are quite wrong.
And no I will not be applying for a job with Metro. I spent 6 years of my life in Law Enforcement already and have no desire to go back as I am much happier working in I.T.
What is the difference; If you call the police and say there are some items missing from my house and I don't know who took them. -OR- If you call and say someone burglarized my house, broke in through the rear door and I'm unsure what is missing or if they are still here. Both of these calls will get different responses. Also as a point of safety if you ever arrive home and notice your house was broken into either before you go inside or once inside you should immediately exit the house and call the police. The way you make the call can determine the way they respond.
You have a couple personal stories great, I never said all police departments will react the same, much of it is based on the way the call is entered in the system. I also never said every cop in town will respond. If it is called in as a burg and unknown if suspect is still on scene that motor cop will most likely respond. If it is called in as I have some things missing and I don't know who took them that motor cop will not likely respond.
Not for anything, but just because I don't personally want to work as a law enforcement officer doesn't mean that I have no say in what I consider acceptable behavior by law enforcement officers.
If some officers are caught on camera beating the crap out of a man having diabetic seizures, I don't have to be a cop to say I think that's wrong. Every week, I see blatant examples of flagrant traffic violations that are in clear view of a police officer* -- and the officer does nothing. This sets a very bad example since bottom-dwellers will think they can drive like fools with impunity.
*Blowing through a red light while speeding and simultaneously talking on a cell phone in a vehicle with no plates. I have personally seen this while next to a squad car. If that doesn't warrant pulling the driver over, what does?
ScoopLV...Are there bad cops...yes. Are there bad plumbers, teachers, bus drivers, etc...yes. You are not going to find one profession where there isn't people in it that are not bad. Yes the news media attempts to find stories that will attract people, that is what the media is all about. Yes I have seen videos of officers using excessive force and no I do not agree with the use of excessive force. You need to realize this is a very small portion of law enforcement officers that are bad. As I mentioned before about the NYPD and the guy selling cigs on the street...that was a bad cop(s). But there are over 35,000 cops on the NYPD...you can't judge them all for the act of a few. Our justice system has many issues and does not treat all people equally and that is sickening.
Yes I have also seen a car do something illegal in front of a patrol car and the officer did nothing. BUT you don't know what that officer is currently doing or responding to. Yes it looks bad but again the officer may be on a priority call and you can't assume he just doesn't give a darn about enforcing the law. Trust me most cops love to enforce the law, equally and at all times but there are rules even for cops, including responding to priority calls for service.
Reporting it is no good. No cop in their right mind would issue a ticket for a traffic violation that they did not personally witness, unless the ticket is issued as a result of a traffic accident investigation and even then it is more the exception than the rule that a ticket will be issued.
About the only good reporting such a thing MIGHT do is if the police get multiple reports of the same infractions happening repeatedly at a particular intersection, they might then set up some sort of "selective enforcement" in the area for an hour or 2.
Keep in mind that one of the copies of the ticket that you never see, is the court's copy. After a cop gives you your copy and sends you on your way, he will fill out the affidavit on the back of the court copy where he will write something to the effect of "At the date and time listed I personally observed the driver listed in control of the car listed commit the violation listed". They can't make that statement and sign it if they didn't actually personally witness the traffic violation and therefore, as I said, no cop in their right mind would track down and cite someone that you as a private citizen reported as having run a red light.
In fact, another true story from my personal experience. One summer afternoon in perhaps 86 or so, I was driving N/B on Hwy 14 in the area of Acton, CA. I was side by side with an LAPD motor cop, who was on his way home from his shift and well outside of the city of angels. I think at the time the speed limit was still 55. So we would do 55 then he would speed up to 65 or 70 and so would I. Then back and forth between those speeds for a few miles. Then he moved in behind me and pulled me over for speeding. A minute or 2 later a CHP car pulls up and the motor cop asks the CHP officer to write me up for speeding. The CHP officer literally laughed out loud and got back in his car and drove off. The LAPD officer then explained to me that he didn't have any citations on him at the time and would let me go with a warning. I too laughed out loud.
Again you are not giving factual information. There are States that another citizen driver can file a complaint on another driver, New Jersey is one of those States. You are taking your personal stories and believing this is what happens all the time when indeed it is not.
Your last story seems more than fictional. First cops who work for LAPD are certified by the State of California. As with most States police are State certified and truly can enforce laws within the state they are certified. For one officer not to assist another officer with writing a ticket is not the norm at all. If a law enforcement officer sees a violation and calls another officer to assist that officer is going to assist...they are both officers of the State of California.
ScoopLV...Are there bad cops...yes. Are there bad plumbers, teachers, bus drivers, etc...yes. You are not going to find one profession where there isn't people in it that are not bad. Yes the news media attempts to find stories that will attract people, that is what the media is all about. Yes I have seen videos of officers using excessive force and no I do not agree with the use of excessive force. You need to realize this is a very small portion of law enforcement officers that are bad. As I mentioned before about the NYPD and the guy selling cigs on the street...that was a bad cop(s). But there are over 35,000 cops on the NYPD...you can't judge them all for the act of a few. Our justice system has many issues and does not treat all people equally and that is sickening.
Yes I have also seen a car do something illegal in front of a patrol car and the officer did nothing. BUT you don't know what that officer is currently doing or responding to. Yes it looks bad but again the officer may be on a priority call and you can't assume he just doesn't give a darn about enforcing the law. Trust me most cops love to enforce the law, equally and at all times but there are rules even for cops, including responding to priority calls for service.
Metro sucks. They wouldn't have the DOJ breathing down their throat if they didn't. It's an organization that needs some oversight. You see an occasional screw-up with the NLVPD, but it does not rise to the level that Metro has set.
Unfortunately, I now live in Metro's jurisdiction, and I feel bad for the good cops in that department. They get to drag around the reputation of that department. Sadly, a well-deserved reputation.
Yes it looks bad but again the officer may be on a priority call and you can't assume he just doesn't give a darn about enforcing the law. Trust me most cops love to enforce the law, equally and at all times but there are rules even for cops, including responding to priority calls for service.
If he was on a priority call, he wouldn't be idling next to me, and then drive calmly down the street as if he's just patrolling.
No. These are examples of "cop doing nothing and acting like he's not in a particular hurry to get anywhere."
You're going above and beyond to defend their inaction. This is part of the problem. The "circle the wagons" mentality -- nobody crosses the line, blue flu and similar. If you're going to defend cops beyond all reason and logic, I'm going to think that you're hopelessly biased.
Furthermore, I'm sick to death of the "well, there are bad plumbers also" excuse. Bad plumbers hardly ever shoot people dead and then get away with it based on the findings of a completely biased review board. (Cops rarely do this as well, I understand that. But it happens considerably more with bad cops than bad plumbers.)
The fact that police officers put their lives on the line every day does not give them carte blanche to ignore and defy the law when they see fit. Most don't. Those that do need to be accountable to the same laws that govern the rest of us. And those who are on a flippin' power trip need to be nudged in the direction of another career.
I am giving 100% factual information and 100% accurate
personal experiences.
And if in New Jersey a cop can make a stop and issue a ticket for a traffic infraction that he didnt personally see, well that is just another reason to stay out of that state. I STRONGLY suspect that you are again wrong about that though. And in California a cop must sign that they witnessed a traffic infraction and no chp cop would do that for an lapd or any other cop, ca post certified or not.
You are crazier than crazy if you think so.
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If he was on a priority call, he wouldn't be idling next to me, and then drive calmly down the street as if he's just patrolling.
No. These are examples of "cop doing nothing and acting like he's not in a particular hurry to get anywhere."
You're going above and beyond to defend their inaction. This is part of the problem. The "circle the wagons" mentality -- nobody crosses the line, blue flu and similar. If you're going to defend cops beyond all reason and logic, I'm going to think that you're hopelessly biased.
Furthermore, I'm sick to death of the "well, there are bad plumbers also" excuse. Bad plumbers hardly ever shoot people dead and then get away with it based on the findings of a completely biased review board. (Cops rarely do this as well, I understand that. But it happens considerably more with bad cops than bad plumbers.)
The fact that police officers put their lives on the line every day does not give them carte blanche to ignore and defy the law when they see fit. Most don't. Those that do need to be accountable to the same laws that govern the rest of us. And those who are on a flippin' power trip need to be nudged in the direction of another career.
Absolutely not true. Just because the cop is on a priority call does not mean he runs code 3. A priority call over a traffic citation can be almost anything.
Again a very, very few law enforcement officers are involved in shooting and a very very very few of those are ever even considered not being lawful.
You need to understand I have many issues with bad cops and do not defend them. As I said in an earlier comment harassing people over selling cigs is not being a good cop...then wrestling them to the ground in a choke hold, getting on top of them and causing positional asphyxiation is not justified. So don't believe I for one will ever defend a bad cop.
Once again, you are wrong. In California a cop must sign that they witnessed a traffic infraction and no chp cop would do that for an lapd or any other cop, ca post certified or not.
You are crazier than crazy if you think so.
I'm not going to argue with you. A LAPD Officer, just like a CHP Officer is a State of California certified officer. Please look it up.
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