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I enjoy your ad hominem attacks and your blind faith in our governor and his minions. Keep it up.
I am sorry that you are unwilling or unable to try to see the world from a cost-benefit perspective. Perhaps, you are one of the lucky ones who has a government job or is retired which allows you to completely ignore any sort of rational, data-driven analysis of this situation. Here's another way of looking at this. The governor's actions have resulted in almost 100 jobs lost for every positive COVID-19 case. Once again, this is an unacceptable economic trade-off.
Since you are omniscient and know that businesses will reopen and people will be rehired, please provide us with your forecast. When can we expect all shuttered business to reopen and rehire all of their employees? Also, please share with us your qualifications which allow you to make this forecast. I have owned and operated a successful business. How about you?
Save your appeals to emotion. Government should not be making policy decisions based on emotion, but rather based on accurate data.
Oh I never said the same businesses will reopen, but Business capital B will, and the minions will find other jobs.
For a successful person you seem frightfully worried about business stopping for a couple of months, perhaps your definition of success is a little different to mine.
And once again you are missing the point, as has been drilled home time and time again, the virus dictates the timeline, not your governor, president or anyone else.
And I absolutely do figure things from a cost benefit perspective, its just that clearly I place a far greater value on the lives of the elderly than you do, perhaps I realise that part of that is that one day I too will be one of the elderly, and I'd quite like not to be consigned to the scrap heap by the selfish youngsters of my generation.
The question is what value do you place on a human life, clearly you place very little. I wonder how you'd feel if someone you cared about died from this, or dont you really give a crap about anyone at all other than yourself?
According to the CDC, up to 55 million Americans got the flu this season, and as many as 63,000 died.
In comparison, more than 486,000 have been diagnosed with Covid-19 via a confirmed lab test, according to Johns Hopkins University, and more than 16,000 have died.
But the numbers don’t tell the whole story.
For example, the flu tallies are estimates of total flu burden, while the Covid-19 figures are confirmed cases only. Eventually, the CDC will estimate the total Covid-19 burden, but for now, the numbers are not an apples-to-apples comparison.
A snapshot of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic shows the difference in the speed of transmission between a raging flu and the new coronavirus.
Comparing only laboratory-confirmed cases, in the first 102 days of the H1N1 flu pandemic, the CDC reported 43,677 illnesses and 302 deaths. In 22 fewer days, Covid-19 infected nine times more people and killed 42 times as many.
The median length of stay for adults hospitalized with seasonal flu is 3.6 days, according to research published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. For Covid-19, the median stay is 12 days (17 if you just count the survivors), 9 days in the ICU (14 if you just count the survivors) and 10 days on a mechanical ventilator (11 if you just count the survivors.)
I'm going to go waaaaay out on a limb here and say that not all 16,000 of those deaths were covid.
I'm seeing quite a few people saying that it was someone they knew and they didn't die of covid.
Like my friend's cancer stricken mom that has been under hospice care since november that was given 6 months to live. They listed cause of death as covid. He's fighting with them about it.
Then we have the 22 week fetus that died of covid somehow.
I'm not saying that covid hasn't killed anyone. I know it had. But it has not killed 16,000 people.
The cdc is directing medical facilities to rule deaths as covid if they even think it might be covid.
These 16,000 deaths are NOT confirmed covid. They're assumed in many cases.
On top of that many people have covid and don't have symptoms or aren't sick enough to report it. And that means the numbers are off.
We have to assume more people have it and less people have actually died of it bringing the mortality rate down.
Indeed they did, big parade with thousands of people in attendance, much like casinos with day parties and night clubs perhaps?
You (once again) are utterly and completely missing the point, and inadvertently via your limited mind proving yourself to be the biggest advocate for government interference.
Once again, and read this slowly because apparently you have trouble understanding this: this is not about 86 deaths, this is about preventing substantially more than that.
Nevada is in the very enviable position of being way ahead of the curve compared to many other places on this, believe me many cities and countries would trade places with you in a heartbeat right now. Only someone truly idiotic would throw that lead away, and charge full on into an upward infection curve.
You two are an interesting double act, selfish, blinkered, and unable to see the bigger picture. Businesses will reopen, people will get rehired, its not permanent. Death on the other hand usually is.
I see the picture just fine. I don't see any reason at all to take the level of action Sisolak has for an illness that has not yet even begun to approach the infection or mortality rates of seasonal flu or the pandemics of prior years.
What's so special about this pandemic that did not apply to earlier ones?
Oh I never said the same businesses will reopen, but Business capital B will, and the minions will find other jobs.
For a successful person you seem frightfully worried about business stopping for a couple of months, perhaps your definition of success is a little different to mine.
And once again you are missing the point, as has been drilled home time and time again, the virus dictates the timeline, not your governor, president or anyone else.
And I absolutely do figure things from a cost benefit perspective, its just that clearly I place a far greater value on the lives of the elderly than you do, perhaps I realise that part of that is that one day I too will be one of the elderly, and I'd quite like not to be consigned to the scrap heap by the selfish youngsters of my generation.
The question is what value do you place on a human life, clearly you place very little. I wonder how you'd feel if someone you cared about died from this, or dont you really give a crap about anyone at all other than yourself?
Nice gaslighting, but the numbers don't bear out your argument. The very same elderly are even more likely to die of any of the typical influenza viruses than they are from Covid-19 yet we have never implemented such drastic measures in the past.
It seems these decisions were made on the basis of a flawed model. Now that we know that the predictions are false, it's time to stop the fear-mongering and get things reopened.
The only difference I can see between this pandemic and swine flu is the complete and utter hysteria the media has whipped the public into and the knee-jerk and outrageous reactions of state governors in response.
Since the numbers are substantially better than the swine flu pandemic of 2009 I have to wonder what the motivation is behind such a wide scale shutdown. You're feigning concern for seniors - why didn't you have the same concerns in 2009?
According to the CDC, up to 55 million Americans got the flu this season, and as many as 63,000 died.
In comparison, more than 486,000 have been diagnosed with Covid-19 via a confirmed lab test, according to Johns Hopkins University, and more than 16,000 have died.
But the numbers don’t tell the whole story.
For example, the flu tallies are estimates of total flu burden, while the Covid-19 figures are confirmed cases only. Eventually, the CDC will estimate the total Covid-19 burden, but for now, the numbers are not an apples-to-apples comparison.
A snapshot of the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic shows the difference in the speed of transmission between a raging flu and the new coronavirus.
Comparing only laboratory-confirmed cases, in the first 102 days of the H1N1 flu pandemic, the CDC reported 43,677 illnesses and 302 deaths. In 22 fewer days, Covid-19 infected nine times more people and killed 42 times as many.
The median length of stay for adults hospitalized with seasonal flu is 3.6 days, according to research published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases. For Covid-19, the median stay is 12 days (17 if you just count the survivors), 9 days in the ICU (14 if you just count the survivors) and 10 days on a mechanical ventilator (11 if you just count the survivors.)
85% of Covid-19 infections require no hospitalization. Of those hospitalized, 77% do not require a ventilator.
You cannot draw any conclusions about the first 102 days, because CDC was not tracking Covid-19 as anything other than standard P&I until March. They are now reviewing prior cases and the last I heard there were indications that Covid-19 was already present in the US as early as November and possibly earlier.
Oh I never said the same businesses will reopen, but Business capital B will, and the minions will find other jobs.
For a successful person you seem frightfully worried about business stopping for a couple of months, perhaps your definition of success is a little different to mine.
And once again you are missing the point, as has been drilled home time and time again, the virus dictates the timeline, not your governor, president or anyone else.
And I absolutely do figure things from a cost benefit perspective, its just that clearly I place a far greater value on the lives of the elderly than you do, perhaps I realise that part of that is that one day I too will be one of the elderly, and I'd quite like not to be consigned to the scrap heap by the selfish youngsters of my generation.
The question is what value do you place on a human life, clearly you place very little. I wonder how you'd feel if someone you cared about died from this, or dont you really give a crap about anyone at all other than yourself?
I am not missing the point, and once again, you resort to ad hominem attacks.
I do not define success as putting tens of millions of people out of work indefinitely especially given that many of those people have families. You, and everyone else, should be just as worried about the ramifications of this indiscriminate shutdown on society.
Doctors, who do not take into consideration anything other than the virus and flawed models, should not be making policy decisions which are going to impact millions of more lives than this virus will. I, along with everyone else in this state and country, did not elect them to make policy decisions.
I value the elderly too. My father is elderly and is medically fragile. However, he also understands that it is not right to be locking down the entire population on his account. He understands that if you wreck the future for the younger generations, everyone is going to end up on the scrap heap. In fact, I would argue it is all of our elderly leaders, some of whom appear to not be in the greatest shape, who are being selfish by locking down everyone. Instead, they should be strongly recommending that people in their age cohort self-isolate until those individuals are comfortable with the level of risk given their age and health profile.
You essentially are putting forth an argument with which I fundamentally disagree. You can protect the elderly both now and in the future with precise measures which isolate them for a limited period of time while allowing those in the low-risk demographic to continue on with life and, more importantly, develop the herd immunity which will be extremely beneficial to those who are elderly and medically fragile like my father.
You are the one who appears to place very little value not only on everyone's life but also the well-being of society given that you seem more than willing to wreck the lives of tens of millions of people to fight this virus.
The Boomers have been refusing to retire and hand the reigns over to Gen-X and Millennials for ages now. The virus represents a threat to their power structure. They know if they start kicking the bucket in large numbers the younger generations will take over the seat of power.
The Boomers have been infantilizing the your generations for decades now. They believe nobody can run the show as well as they can.
Now that they are faced with their own possibility of death, instead of doing the right thing and taking shelter while passing the reigns to the younger who are likely to survive, they'll just burn it all down and go down with the ship. That way, they get to retain control.
The Boomers have been refusing to retire and hand the reigns over to Gen-X and Millennials for ages now. The virus represents a threat to their power structure. They know if they start kicking the bucket in large numbers the younger generations will take over the seat of power.
The Boomers have been infantilizing the your generations for decades now. They believe nobody can run the show as well as they can.
Now that they are faced with their own possibility of death, instead of doing the right thing and taking shelter while passing the reigns to the younger who are likely to survive, they'll just burn it all down and go down with the ship. That way, they get to retain control.
I tend to agree.
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