[Robustus]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

Why would you play $25-500/hand at Sunset?

Since you'll get comped handsomely in this range, and your a local(whereby rooms wont matter), why not play somewhere that they will give you a nice $200 dinner for your play?

If you vary bets by feel, that means you are throwing down a LOT of bets on negative counts, and for large amounts. I can't imagine why a casino would ban you as a player. They should love you.

Unless of course you are lying, and actually are a card counter and are just po'ed that your camoflauge failed to have its intended effect.

Hmm... How long do you have to play varying your bets like that to get comp'ed a $200 meal? If you're playing a correct basic strategy, your disadvantage is about 1.5%, which works out to $7.5 for the $500 bets, and $0.375 for the $25 bets. If there are other players at the table and you're getting about 1 hand per minute, with say, 10% of your hands being $500 bets, you're losing $65.25 per hour. So if playing like that for anything less than 3hrs gets you a $200 meal, you win.

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by Robustus

Hmm... How long do you have to play varying your bets like that to get comp'ed a $200 meal? If you're playing a correct basic strategy, your disadvantage is about 1.5%, which works out to $7.5 for the $500 bets, and $0.375 for the $25 bets. If there are other players at the table and you're getting about 1 hand per minute, with say, 10% of your hands being $500 bets, you're losing $65.25 per hour. So if playing like that for anything less than 3hrs gets you a $200 meal, you win.

Guys that are playing in the manner described by OP, are in my experience never ever playing anywhere close to basic strategy. In short, I think he is laying huge bets where he is at a 5-10% disadvantage due to large bets in negative counts...basically almost zero chance of hitting BJ's on his big bets.

I've played with a number of these guys at local places, most of them very young, got paid after a big job or whatever, and want to blow off a grand or two...win big or lose big. Generally they don't last 30 minutes.

But OP describes a different situation where he doesn't cash out after a huge win. IMO, if I was a pitboss, I'd never ever want to lose this guy, as even an occasional player. Entering a slightly inflated average bet of say $200/hand, I think is just a overall winning situation for the casino.

However, I think OP is leaving out a whole lot of information.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by JohnG72

Guys that are playing in the manner described by OP, are in my experience never ever playing anywhere close to basic strategy. In short, I think he is laying huge bets where he is at a 5-10% disadvantage due to large bets in negative counts...basically almost zero chance of hitting BJ's on his big bets.

I've played with a number of these guys at local places, most of them very young, got paid after a big job or whatever, and want to blow off a grand or two...win big or lose big. Generally they don't last 30 minutes.

But OP describes a different situation where he doesn't cash out after a huge win. IMO, if I was a pitboss, I'd never ever want to lose this guy, as even an occasional player. Entering a slightly inflated average bet of say $200/hand, I think is just a overall winning situation for the casino.

However, I think OP is leaving out a whole lot of information.

You have no way of knowing what the count was when the poster was laying the large wagers. Most hunch players are using a basic high low card observation before the wager increase when in reality the true count usually neutral or just slightly positive. What happened to the poster is perfectly logical. Stations pit’s sweat their drop. The poster was up a lot and was backed off the game. Did they handle it correctly, not in my opinion, but I have seen this a lot and it will continue because this is mentality of a lot of table game supervisors.

[JohnG72]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

You have no way of knowing what the count was when the poster was laying the large wagers. Most hunch players are using a basic high low card observation before the wager increase when in reality the true count usually neutral or just slightly positive. What happened to the poster is perfectly logical. Stations pit’s sweat their drop. The poster was up a lot and was backed off the game. Did they handle it correctly, not in my opinion, but I have seen this a lot and it will continue because this is mentality of a lot of table game supervisors.

Again not my experience. I've seen betters like this LOTS at Orleans...one young kid who ran $1500 up to about $4k and then down to near zero, back up to over $2k, and then down to zero. And another older asian guy who was in around $7K

Both laid down thousand dollar bets in -10 counts. IMO the pits know this and can adjust average bets based on if they want the player back or not.

FWIW, to demonstrate my ability, I've been backed off at ElCo and Plaza, and a friend of mine I play with has also been backed off at Plaza, and had his comps discontinued at Stratosphere. So its not like I have no clue what I'm talking about.

[yourbasicmom]

i'm a dealer. wide variance of your bets draws the fast attention of my shift manager. they don't want the big action. how can you count a double deck when i cut it off right in half? (tokers get a deeper double deck penetration on my table