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View Poll Results: What is Your General Opinion on Immigration
I am an Immigrant and I Favor Skills-Based Immigration. 10 9.52%
I am an Immigrant and I Favor Family-Based Immigration. 3 2.86%
I am a non-Immigrant and I favor Skills-Based Immigration. 62 59.05%
I am a non-Immigrant and I favor Family-Based Immigration. 13 12.38%
Other 17 16.19%
Voters: 105. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-25-2019, 09:22 AM
 
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I'm not sure what your point is, or what you think my opinions are. Most immigrants I work with are more talented and harder-working than their nth-generation US counterparts. Many immigrants I meet in low-skill positions seem to do an excellent job. I'm all for immigration, but I don't think extended family immigration is the way to go about bringing in the workers we need.
I do not know what circles you move in to be mostly exposed to low income immigrants.

If parents and siblings are extended family for you so be it. Are you familiar with the processing times of those Green Cards? If not - travel.state.gov visa bulletin.

How do you plan on integration and productiveness while only the main breadwinner is in the US? Hello Western Union
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:58 PM
 
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Went through both Canadian (merit based) and US immigrant process.

I don't see any issue with US following what Canada, Australia etc do with their immigration process.

Why there is a need for sibling visa sponsorship class for and seemingly endless chain migration? The current employment sponsorship routes seem to make one beholden to sponsoring companies.
Agreed. I have been through both Australian and US immigration processes and the US should model Australia’s in many ways. Not enough points? Sorry.
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Old 05-28-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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I do not know what circles you move in to be mostly exposed to low income immigrants.

If parents and siblings are extended family for you so be it. Are you familiar with the processing times of those Green Cards? If not - travel.state.gov visa bulletin.

How do you plan on integration and productiveness while only the main breadwinner is in the US? Hello Western Union
I still don't understand your point. Spouses and children are immediate family. Extended family is any other relation.

Current wait times for spouses and children of LPR's are long. I don't see how that has much bearing on this discussion, unless you can explain your thought process.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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I still don't understand your point. Spouses and children are immediate family. Extended family is any other relation.

Current wait times for spouses and children of LPR's are long. I don't see how that has much bearing on this discussion, unless you can explain your thought process.
You want productive immigrants assimilating into US culture - you cannot exclude their immediate family as in partner/children/parents or you will have a situation as in some Near East countries - earn, send it home.
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Old 05-28-2019, 01:09 PM
 
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I still don't understand your point. Spouses and children are immediate family. Extended family is any other relation.

Current wait times for spouses and children of LPR's are long. I don't see how that has much bearing on this discussion, unless you can explain your thought process.
The thing is most part of the world considers parents to be part of immediate family. You are placing parents as extended family. That is the difference in view.


I do agree, adults siblings are extended family but to bring those people to USA, it takes over a decade+ after the immigrant obtained his citizenship which will take another decade+. So we are essentially debating about something that takes 20+ years after an immigrant arrives in USA, most likely 30 years. TBH most immigrants don't bring in their adult siblings, it usually stops at parents
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Old 05-28-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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The thing is most part of the world considers parents to be part of immediate family. You are placing parents as extended family. That is the difference in view.


I do agree, adults siblings are extended family but to bring those people to USA, it takes over a decade+ after the immigrant obtained his citizenship which will take another decade+. So we are essentially debating about something that takes 20+ years after an immigrant arrives in USA, most likely 30 years. TBH most immigrants don't bring in their adult siblings, it usually stops at parents
Please go through historic data on travel.state.gov. Also - hang out at expat forums. A popular route for some former colonial countries is UK/AUS/NZ, AUS then US:>)
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Old 05-28-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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You want productive immigrants assimilating into US culture - you cannot exclude their immediate family as in partner/children/parents or you will have a situation as in some Near East countries - earn, send it home.
I think it's fine to exclude parents of adult children. The nuclear family is all that should be included when someone immigrates based on work/skills.

When an employer pays for relocation, they pay for travel expenses for partner and minor children. They don't pay for relocating the parents or adult children of the new employee.

The same principle should apply to skill-based immigration. Spouses and minor children of the immigrant should be granted LPR status. No one else in the family.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:40 PM
 
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As a Democrat, I stand for some common sense legislation and an overhaul of existing immigration law.

Unfortunately, the far left and the far right are making this unworkable.
The problem with saying "common sense" is it's way too vague. Everyone thinks their perspective is just common sense. I would agree, though, that the opinions of the far left and far right should be thrown out.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:45 PM
 
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the issue with skilled base immigration as is being proposed, is that it will will create a upper class of highly educated foreigners and will make local Americans second class citizens, just look at California, or any university in the US foreigners are the elite. and immigration will not slow down just because you make it skill-based.
I would rather have that than the U.S. turn into a 3rd world country of unskilled immigrants.
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Old 05-29-2019, 06:54 AM
 
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The problem with saying "common sense" is it's way too vague. Everyone thinks their perspective is just common sense. I would agree, though, that the opinions of the far left and far right should be thrown out.
That's what I'm saying- throw out the extremes.

IMO, get rid of the lottery. Get rid of birthright citizenship to anyone who isn't a legal resident (like the Chinese who come here to give birth and go back to China with an American citizen). Work toward stabilizing the western hemisphere so central Americans aren't in fear of their lives- tall order I know).
Limit chain migration severely.

Have a version of Australia's system- maybe slightly liberalized.

Something has to be done with the "dreamers" who have lived here all their lives. Do it and move on.

Lots of common sense things could be done but both sides are so intractable right now.
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