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One thing you will learn when/if you ever run a real business is that the customer is always right. In the real world (outside of United Socialist States of America), if you don't follow this mantra you go OUT OF BUSINESS. Unions have no idea what this really means.
Holbrook, Stony Brook (though the SB to Gordon Heights has a few riders), Patchogue.
The buses to Stony brook get busy, the S60. And the S58 gets pretty crowded too. I ride these buses all the time.
But out in Suffolk ridership is much less compared to Nassau. But its still significant. The S76 is one route that is a waste, it was a political favor for Viloria-Fischer (I'm sure I'm spelling it wrong).
Also the 5A goes nowhere people want to go, unless you want to go to the Pine Barrens (well, that'd be me..lol)
One thing you will learn when/if you ever run a real business is that the customer is always right. In the real world (outside of United Socialist States of America), if you don't follow this mantra you go OUT OF BUSINESS. Unions have no idea what this really means.
Thats one philosophy missing from the LIRR. Like when I got threatened and harassed via email by LIRR employees for showing a packed train with cars closed.
You want PORK, look at the LIRR.
Well i may not know the system very well but I do know that the buses across this region are packed during rush hour and during the holidays. It depends on the system , service and fares. If the fares are too high ppl with use other means of transit , same with the service. Telling 110,000 ppl that they need to find another way to work next year is terrible , 110,000 is decent for system the size of LI bus , or would the ppl prefer it to be 350,000+. Whats happens why Bloomberg imposes congestion pricing? Your going to need transit into NYC....and around the outer boroughs , shutting one system down now will have a very bad affect on ur future.
Take the number of riders and the number of busses at 3 to 4 MPG and tell me how green this is. I know some are now natural gas powered and some are even hybrid but in the end it still is a big waste of fuel.
In the mean time the auto makers are taxed for large vehicles (and pass it on to the purchaser) that do not get good mileage, so you are telling me I cannot drive a large SUV alone but a bus can run with 3 passengers most of it's route.
Granted the routes around colleges may be packed, also the Mall routes. So again we (motorists) are paying to bring customers to the mall.
Take the number of riders and the number of busses at 3 to 4 MPG and tell me how green this is. I know some are now natural gas powered and some are even hybrid but in the end it still is a big waste of fuel.
In the mean time the auto makers are taxed for large vehicles (and pass it on to the purchaser) that do not get good mileage, so you are telling me I cannot drive a large SUV alone but a bus can run with 3 passengers most of it's route.
Granted the routes around colleges may be packed, also the Mall routes. So again we (motorists) are paying to bring customers to the mall.
If a bus line is carrying only a few passengers for most of its trip, it should be eliminated. Or a "minibus" used.
Most bus routes carry well over that, but there are a few I have listed. In Nassau that would be the N50,N51, N80, N62, and N73. These get very little ridership because they often redundent.
In Suffolk there's more routes that carry very little, such as the S76 I mentioned, as well as some "feeder" routes like the 6B, 7B, 5A,etc. The route that was brought up in Amityville, I think its called the 1B or something and its suprising its still around.
In Suffolk though smaller 30ft buses are used on these routes.
Of course if these routes arent carrying anyone why are they still running? It would make more sense to cut those routes and put the buses on the busy lines that need more equipment.
Inconsistency? really? I'm sorry if my viewing of LIBus as a separate money-losing entity under Nassau County ownership caused any confusion. We obviously don't think alike (refer to the GM-Saturn-Olds relationship).
My facts are correct. You should double-check yours and not simply look at a pie chart as your false premise that Nassau only pays 10%. What about the giant 54% in dedicated taxes that Nassau county pays towards LIBS in the form of the Transportation District Tax (MCTD) and the Personal Mobility Tax (PMT)? What about the exorbitant pensions, benefits and free health care for life that Nassau County is going to be forever burdened with?? If you add in the above, Nassau's contribution toward LIBS likely goes well above 33% and probably closer to 50%. You probably should have actually read this first > http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agenci...StudyFINAL.pdf before making 3 posts of irrelevant, incorrect information.
Now, as seanx4 pointed out on page 2 with his excellent due diligence: the SALARY WAGE & BENEFITS component taking up a MASSIVE 80% of libs budget, is the major beef that Nassau County has with MTA. I am sure the MTA needs libus much more than Nassau county does! I hope we nix it to reduce the size and power of these giant vampire squid unions. Either that or raise fares to reduce the county's burden and distribute fliers to every single rider to show them why we need to raise fares. See..Libus is more than appears to be on surface. It's a fine example of how unions throw the blame at everyone else except themselves. They blame Mangano, taxpayers and nassau county.... and riders believe it!! Again this is a major reason NY is in shambles, everybody fighting against each other when the problem is fairly obvious.
Here's a look at some public information of Metropolitan Transportation Authority's Long Island Bus SALARY component. This is a rough copy/paste of the top 100 salaries out of 1200 total. The salary next to "Annual" is followed by YTD salary which includes Overtime. Names are left out of course but again this is public information. (Note the lines in RED are instances where OT exceeded 50% of base salary).. Remember, with each of these salaries is a giant pension burden to the county, so double what you see here to get an idea of the redundancy, waste and actual deficit footprint it leaves on us):
The excessive waste runs about 30 pages deep (almost half of the employees!) .. Am I picking on LIBus employees? No, I am picking on the unions for allowing it to be run like a free-for-all and for looting of taxpayers. Storekeepers pulling in $105k G's -- 2x their base salaries via OT abuse?? C'mon man, who's really to blame here? The MTA is. Kudos to sean sean sean for his excellent research and I'm going to quote his work below.. because he really nailed it on the head and made a great comparison via a better run Hamptons road transit vs the poorly run, wasteful & bloated MTA Long Island BUS: (from this post here)
Some positions do require the safety of 40 passengers as JIW stated and some are so simple that technology or streamlining operations could replace them. But the safety of 40 passengers is not valid.. does that mean we should go out and pay roller coaster operators at any amusement park a $Quarter million DOLLARS a year?/ $100K+OT+Benefits+Lucrative Pension+free health care for life and retirement in 20 years (a $100k union salary is effectively $250k/yr salary). Again, this is nothing personal against LIBS. But the problem is, this abuse is rampant across all other government agencies . And the unions are the main enablers in the abuse because it helps them to grow in size and power.
This is some excellent work here guys...congrats to you!
My guess is Mangano will make a compromise with MTA's Jay Walder to keep the Metropolitan Termite Authority involved in LI Bus as a "consultant". This will keep LI'ers paying for those outrageous salaries, pensions, and my personal favorite..."disability", which Jay Walder wants to stick to LI'ers at all costs! Chris Christie would have sent MTA packing in a heartbeat. We need a leader like that. Mangano...please suprise me and send the MTA packing!
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. And the unions are the main enablers in the abuse because it helps them to grow in size and power.
