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So, the salaries are in the budget, and you get to vote on the budget, or not?
BTW, i did the math for you. At $150,000 per year, and with a teacher seeing 125 kids per academic year, the pay works out to about $.50 (50 cents) per hour, per child. That's about $12.50 per hour for comparative puposes with other occupations. Now, how much was it that the local bus driver makes? Or the equipment operator? Or the Secretary? Or, god forbid, the person with a Master's Degree who is working for IBM?
Wow teachers are getting desperate to substantiate their salaries. Your unions have stooped to cheap used car salesman calculations. That type of fuzzy math has existed since the 1950s when people went door to door to hawk crap products. Let's me show you how it works in it's original iteration.
Cheap Salesman:"I want to sell you this $25 blender for $50. How many do you want to buy?"
Sucker:"That's too expensive!"
Cheap Salesman:"Well sir, this blender is guaranteed for 10 years and at $50 it will only cost you 1.3 cents per day. Now doesn't that sound like a much better deal?"
Sucker:"Oh, that sounds so much easier to swallow."
This type of sleazy sales tactic has been sold by "sales gurus" for 60 years and it didn't work then and it won't work now.
The overpaid teacher issue isn't going to go away, the pressure just going to continue to build until they are burning teachers in effigy, because you are making it unbearable for middle class Long Island to exist. They are loud, pissed, and been shown the truth. If we were in a foxhole the only thing I would yell is "INCOMING"
Wow teachers are getting desperate to substantiate their salaries. Your unions have stooped to cheap used car salesman calculations. That type of fuzzy math has existed since the 1950s when people went door to door to hawk crap products. Let's me show you how it works in it's original iteration.
Cheap Salesman:"I want to sell you this $25 blender for $50. How many do you want to buy?"
Sucker:"That's too expensive!"
Cheap Salesman:"Well sir, this blender is guaranteed for 10 years and at $50 it will only cost you 1.3 cents per day. Now doesn't that sound like a much better deal?"
Sucker:"Oh, that sounds so much easier to swallow."
This type of sleazy sales tactic has been sold by "sales gurus" for 60 years and it didn't work then and it won't work now.
The overpaid teacher issue isn't going to go away, the pressure just going to continue to build until they are burning teachers in effigy, because you are making it unbearable for middle class Long Island to exist. They are loud, pissed, and been shown the truth. If we were in a foxhole the only thing I would yell is "INCOMING"
Cheap salesman tactics. I saw some budget pdfs for schools and its in them quite frequently of the summary bulletin it says 57 or 67 cents increase per day. WOW ! may be they all hired the same consulting firm.
Why not take 57 cents per days pay cuts that will be helpful !
These are our educators making our kids salesman from day one how to B.S.
Well, therein lies the crux of the discussion. My thesis is, from experience, that a good teacher contributes about 12 hours per day. You can read my original post to see the hours which are expended by teachers that really care about their work.
Yes, if you put in the minimum....5 classes each day, and don't make any attempt to be a quality teacher, then you can make your numbers work. And the administration will help you fudge (scale) your grades so that your kids 'look smart' which pleases parents, and helps the admin keep their jobs.
But either way, using 'class periods' as the metric doesn't give you anything which compares across other disciplines, which was the original complaint: that teachers get paid too much (it is implied that this means compared to _____________).
Implied hours doesn't count because it up to the person to do that. And We are not talking about a specific person here. Your assumptions are based on your theory only. Show me a study report where it says most of the teachers do 12 hr days in Long Island(Not Nicaragua). And if not all are doing it then why i have to pay for them too.
Implied hours doesn't count because it up to the person to do that. And We are not talking about a specific person here. Your assumptions are based on your theory only. Show me a study report where it says most of the teachers do 12 hr days in Long Island(Not Nicaragua). And if not all are doing it then why i have to pay for them too.
You are talking about anyone who is worth their salt. Serious teachers can easily demonstrate to you the hours which they put in, for some pretty low pay. Ask any one of them.
I am getting a sense that there is a lot of crabbing going on here about high taxes, without much understanding of the facts. My old man was the same way....cranky complaining, but no solutions, and no understanding.
Am i close?
You are talking about anyone who is worth their salt. Serious teachers can easily demonstrate to you the hours which they put in, for some pretty low pay. Ask any one of them.
I am getting a sense that there is a lot of crabbing going on here about high taxes, without much understanding of the facts. My old man was the same way....cranky complaining, but no solutions, and no understanding.
Am i close?
I just asked for proof. You made the claim you prove it. Why me wasting my time for that asking teachers. I have to work to pay for my taxes .
You are talking about anyone who is worth their salt. Serious teachers can easily demonstrate to you the hours which they put in, for some pretty low pay. Ask any one of them.
I am getting a sense that there is a lot of crabbing going on here about high taxes, without much understanding of the facts. My old man was the same way....cranky complaining, but no solutions, and no understanding.
Am i close?
Its like asking car salesman is the deal you giving is really good. Very funny !
You ask me I will also say i work very hard and underpaid. Will you pay me ?
You are talking about anyone who is worth their salt. Serious teachers can easily demonstrate to you the hours which they put in, for some pretty low pay. Ask any one of them.
what percentage of teachers would you put in the category of "serious"?
Do teachers of young children (first grade, second grade, etc.) even qualify?
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I am getting a sense that there is a lot of crabbing going on here about high taxes, without much understanding of the facts. My old man was the same way....cranky complaining, but no solutions, and no understanding.
Am i close?
the solutions are obvious. Making them happen is the issue.
Shocker is Employee Benefits going up by 14.27% from $36 million to $41 million. So you pay additional $5.56 million is taxes and out of that $5.1 million goes to employee benefits, leaving half a million for other services. So for every dollar you pay you are getting less than 10 cents in value for that and its going to get worse from here on. Its just starting to go exponential.
So we have pay $5mil for benefits and then if you want really good teachers lets pay more. Yeah why not i give my whole paycheck to u guys. Oh no you don't want my whole paycheck. all you want is 57 cents a day.
Shocker is Employee Benefits going up by 14.27% from $36 million to $41 million. So you pay additional $5.56 million is taxes and out of that $5.1 million goes to employee benefits, leaving half a million for other services. So for every dollar you pay you are getting less than 10 cents in value for that and its going to get worse from here on. Its just starting to go exponential.
So we have pay $5mil for benefits and then if you want really good teachers lets pay more. Yeah why not i give my whole paycheck to u guys. Oh no you don't want my whole paycheck. all you want is 57 cents a day.
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