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I question whether gentrification has truly taken place in those towns, or are we referring to the mere displacement of one minority population by another. I don't think people's perceptions of Freeport, Wyandanch, or Brentwood is any better nowadays than it was in the past.
Well, it's not just a matter of perceptions, but also what happens in reality.
Take a neighborhood in Brooklyn like Canarsie. It went from mostly White to mostly Black. The crime rate decreased in almost every category (murder, assault, robbery, etc) by a significant amount, and yet you still have people talking about how crime has gone up and so on. At best, people will say that it's remained the same, but very few people will say it has improved as more Black people moved in, when in reality, that was the case.
I knew a White guy who lived in East Flatbush (Brooklyn) about 40-50 years ago or so when it was all-White. The crap him and his friends used to get into is probably the same crap (or worse) that Black kids in that neighborhood get into today. And yet a lot of people say that area has gotten worse, when I doubt that is really the case.
I heard that in Sunset Park (Brooklyn), it used to have a bunch of abandoned storefronts and a higher crime rate. Eventually, the Mexican population grew, and displaced some of the Puerto Ricans who lived there. It's Hispanics displacing other Hispanics, but it did help improve the neighborhood.
Here in SI, there were a few areas on the North Shore (Port Richmond & West New Brighton around Castleton Avenue), that used to be a mix of Whites, Blacks, and Puerto Ricans, and the crime rate was definitely higher than it is today, now that the Mexican population has grown. There are a bunch of stores serving the Mexican population in the area, whereas before, they were just vacant storefronts. I would definitely call that an improvement.
Well, it's not just a matter of perceptions, but also what happens in reality.
Take a neighborhood in Brooklyn like Canarsie. It went from mostly White to mostly Black. The crime rate decreased in almost every category (murder, assault, robbery, etc) by a significant amount, and yet you still have people talking about how crime has gone up and so on. At best, people will say that it's remained the same, but very few people will say it has improved as more Black people moved in, when in reality, that was the case.
I knew a White guy who lived in East Flatbush (Brooklyn) about 40-50 years ago or so when it was all-White. The crap him and his friends used to get into is probably the same crap (or worse) that Black kids in that neighborhood get into today. And yet a lot of people say that area has gotten worse, when I doubt that is really the case.
I heard that in Sunset Park (Brooklyn), it used to have a bunch of abandoned storefronts and a higher crime rate. Eventually, the Mexican population grew, and displaced some of the Puerto Ricans who lived there. It's Hispanics displacing other Hispanics, but it did help improve the neighborhood.
Here in SI, there were a few areas on the North Shore (Port Richmond & West New Brighton around Castleton Avenue), that used to be a mix of Whites, Blacks, and Puerto Ricans, and the crime rate was definitely higher than it is today, now that the Mexican population has grown. There are a bunch of stores serving the Mexican population in the area, whereas before, they were just vacant storefronts. I would definitely call that an improvement.
Canarsie is a good example and bolsters the idea that it's about economics more than race. Canarsie is effectively the "suburbs" for families trying to find more stability than they had in Flatbush, East New York, Brownsville, etc. which had become war zones. Although it's mostly black, it is an area of homeowners and working families who consider it a community and have civic pride. It helps that there is also a lot more police presence than there used to be but that is because the police presence is welcomed and not shunned. It really doesn't matter if it's black, white, hispanic, indian, asian. The common denominator is homeownership, civic mindedness and pride. Shared values but it takes solid incomes to be evident on a broader area.
You know the first few pages of this tread started off great, then the I hate anything Spanish/Hispanic or sounding like jumped in. The op was simply stating a point that some of these families are looking for a better way of life these town will change as their kids go to school and become more American. It always takes a few generations to be able to break from the norm. Someone mentioned the conservative/Catholic voting record of the Hispanic community and that too changed this election and will continue to change. The point is people think what you want of them they are here and they have realized you affect change by voting and they are voting. Their kids will improve on this generation and try to do better and so will their kids like many immigrants before them, so get over it.
My wife's family is Spanish and from a "civilized part" of South American, and God help you if you lump either of them in with generic Hispanics. I did and got a speech on why they are different.
Yea without a green card or learning english as judge judy would say this is some america.
Look unless Columbus stole this country from your great, great, great great grand parents we are all here via immigration. I just met someone that told me when the iris were sent here they had to do a sanity check on them. If they felt like they were crazy or something like that they would send them back. We are all here as immigrants so I wish people would stop acting like they woke up here one day and did everything right. If you are upset get upset at your politician for not figuring a way to make them citizens so they have to work on the book and pay taxes. Don't give me they will still work under the table. It will force them to pay taxes and oh wait it will give them the opportunity to vote (say good bye to your favorite politician)
Are you sure about that? Do you have any stats to back that up?
Call this phone number and ask:
516-483-6200
They're the experts on crime in Hempstead. They will agree with me.
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