Received multiple red light camera tickets

[lvmensch]

Actually it is likely if things go as the appear to be or, perhaps should be, all cars built after 2020 or so will continously transmit their position and speed in three dimensions. Actually a rather simple and straight forward thing. Maybe a $50 add on package to an older car. Now basically everyone knows how fast and in what direction everyone is going. This is the basic stuff to keep us from running into each other.

But it does open a pandora's box or two. Do you get an automatic ticket if you violate the speed limit for where you are? Obvious thing to do. Or do we consider the information private unless it breaks some limit...ie 50 mph in a 15 mph school zone basically requires action. Or 110 on a normal freeway.

I have seen little knowledgeable discussion. But it has to turn into a big deal over the next decade.

[Joe461]

Originally Posted by lvmensch

But it does open a pandora's box or two.

Tickets are one thing. As you state, there are other boxes that will open.

I am just learning about this "smart driver" feature in the OnStar. As they state "The better you drive, the higher your score." I imagine this is much like the system you describe.

This means a private company (not the government) has full access to all your driving data. They can transmit that to your insurance company (as one claim is to help you save on insurance), the government or use it themselves. The intrusive marketing aspects alone are frightening.

Exceed the posted speed limit (as the vast majority of drivers do) and a ticket might be the least of your problems. Your insurance rates could get jacked - or they could decide to drop you. The car dealer may use it to deny a warranty service since you operated the vehicle out of spec. You could be held at fault for an accident you did not cause because the system determined you were doing something wrong (even though unrelated to the crash).

It might also be a good business opportunity... To develop a method of disabling the "phone home" feature. Something similar to the "Little Snitch" program, if you are familiar with that very useful piece of software.

[lvmensch]

Originally Posted by Joe461

Tickets are one thing. As you state, there are other boxes that will open.

I am just learning about this "smart driver" feature in the OnStar. As they state "The better you drive, the higher your score." I imagine this is much like the system you describe.

This means a private company (not the government) has full access to all your driving data. They can transmit that to your insurance company (as one claim is to help you save on insurance), the government or use it themselves. The intrusive marketing aspects alone are frightening.

Exceed the posted speed limit (as the vast majority of drivers do) and a ticket might be the least of your problems. Your insurance rates could get jacked - or they could decide to drop you. The car dealer may use it to deny a warranty service since you operated the vehicle out of spec. You could be held at fault for an accident you did not cause because the system determined you were doing something wrong (even though unrelated to the crash).

It might also be a good business opportunity... To develop a method of disabling the "phone home" feature. Something similar to the "Little Snitch" program, if you are familiar with that very useful piece of software.

Different systems different problems. Things like onstar are linked to the internet. The coming comm packages are not. So no one is able to actually monitor except those with local stations...Who will virtually all be municipal. No commercial operation is going to get near the data generated locally by vehicle movements.

So it is government who will have to deal with it. Not commercial.