Have you ever used this roofing company? (house, buying)
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Anybody here ever used D & S Roofing for either a full roof replacement or replacing at least 50% of the roof?
If you have, I have two questions about the job they did:
(1) Once they started pulling off your old shingles, did they tell you that a significant portion (or all) of your existing roof decking needed to be replaced?
(2) If they included "free gutters and downspouts" what size did they install?
Significant amount of decking = 50% or more of the total roof area, IMHO.
You would think that it would be 5" K-gutters and 2x3 downspouts for most homes (unless there are large areas of steep roofs), wouldn't you? But what D&S puts on are 6" K-gutters, regardless of what the structure is or the roof characteristics are, because they have their own gutter machine/truck and that's the only size it spits out. But then they stick undersized 2"x3" drop holes and downspouts on them. When they did our roof two years ago the contract did not specify size of gutters; it just said "free seamless" and so we assumed they'd be the 5" / 2"x3" combo like what came off. Simple roof and fairly low slope (it's marginal for rolled roofing vs shingles/extra ice shield actually.) So when I saw the 6" gutters installed I was surprised. But when I saw they'd stuck undersized downspouts on them, I objected. The roofer would not change them. Said "this size downspout is what we always install and it's fine." Well, it is not fine, it is wrong. Six inch gutters require 3" x 4" downspouts. Period. We began getting washouts in heavy rain where we never had before, because the extra collected water volume in the 6" gutter was being directed through a narrower opening, just like the "jet" setting on a hose nozzle. So I was wondering whether other customers have been similarly wrong-sized by them.
The decking question is because after we'd signed a contract for the roof replacement we were told that the decking needed to be replaced (via a few photos taken with one of the crew's cell phones while ripping the roof.) The decking replacement doubled the quoted cost of the job but we were over a barrel because of impending weather conditions. The increase put a huge dent in our remodeling budget. I thought at first that we were just unlucky, but about six months later a friend of ours, knowing that we'd used this company, called them for a roof replacement. Same scenario: Supposedly the entire rear decking of their roof was deteriorated and needed to be replaced, increasing their contract price by about two-thirds. Just last week I was talking to someone in my local library about remodeling and they told me the same story; turns out the company they'd used was D & S. They only bought their high-ranch three years ago and the home inspector's report mentioned nothing about a problem with the roof deck, at least not as he saw it from the attic. But the roofer's argument is that if the homeowner doesn't authorize/pay for new decking, the roof manufacturer's warranty will be invalid/useless. Catch-22.
Of course these three could all be coincidence but it got me wondering how many of their customers end up 'needing' large enough amounts of decking replaced (at $75 per sheet, plus labor) to blow up the cost of the roofing job. Hence my question.
The gutter thing was out of curiosity, because we ended up having the mismatched ones the roofer installed replaced by properly sized 5" gutters + 2"x3" downspouts (by someone else.) The bigger gutters started pulling away from the roof last winter too, from the extra weight of ice and snow in them. (Mounted with hangers, not spikes.) The old 5" gutters never had that problem and never caused washouts even in heavy rains. They also look better (in proportion) on our small house than the 6" ones did.
Last edited by BBCjunkie; 08-19-2018 at 03:32 PM..
Just sharing as a comparison. Company was awesome and was able to do the work in a day which is crazy considering the size of the roof. Very professional and no surprises.
Just sharing as a comparison. Company was awesome and was able to do the work in a day which is crazy considering the size of the roof. Very professional and no surprises.
20 Mexicans on a roof can do amazing things in one day.
If the roof slope is borderline flat roof than more than likely most of your sheathing was damaged. Many POS developments on LI even had 1/2” plywood used as roof sheathing?
If the roof slope is borderline flat roof than more than likely most of your sheathing was damaged. Many POS developments on LI even had 1/2” plywood used as roof sheathing?
1/2" roof sheathing is pretty good by LI POS development standards. Try 3/8"on the roof. Do you believe that? Soon after buying my home, I realized the walls were 3/8". I figured the roof had to be 1/2" at least, though. Nope, 3/8". And the roof was replaced a year or two before I bought the home...old layers were stripped off but they kept the original 3/8" sheathing. Idiots. I guess the plan was to sell it soon. If I was doing it with the intent to stay, I would have redone the sheathing with 5/8".
I have a roof over my head...barely. But, I've heard this is common on Long Island in 1960s homes.
It could be worse....in other parts of the country you see OSB roof sheathing laid on 2x4 trusses spaced 24" on center.
When I built a shed, I used 1/2" plywood and all walls and roof were 16" on center The shed is better built than most LI homes.
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