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Restaurants and bars in New York City that violate social distancing directives and other coronavirus mitigation measures will be shut down after three violations, and can be closed immediately for "egregious" offenses, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said Thursday.
State officials have investigated more than 5,000 establishments, most of them downstate, and found widespread lack of compliance with orders aimed at keeping the coronavirus under control, he said. The "three strikes" rule will be expanded to other parts of the state if significant noncompliance crops up.
“It’s wrong, it’s dangerous, it’s selfish, it’s unacceptable, it’s also illegal," Cuomo said. “New Yorkers are outraged at these establishments. We’re getting thousands of complaints, pictures, videos, etcetera. This is a question of public health, and New Yorkers paid a dear price for COVID, and they are equally upset with these violations.”
I imagine you are intelligent enough to watch the news or read a newspaper. There has been a flare up in this country of covid which is stretching hospital capacity in many areas of the country. The culprit has primarily been people in bars and clubs catching it.
So to help reduce the risk of covid flaring up again here Cuomo is asking that people at bars need to eat and sit at a table. This helps limit the amount of time people will spend in the establishment as the place will want to have turnover at the tables and hopefully reduce the spread of covid as your chance of catching it increases with the amount of virus in the air and the duration of time spent in contact with the virus.
Less time spent there, less chance of catching virus. More food ordered equals bigger bill for bar. More turnover of customers means more money for bar.
[quote=NSHL10;58664357]I imagine you are intelligent enough to watch the news or read a newspaper. There has been a flare up in this country of covid which is stretching hospital capacity in many areas of the country. The culprit has primarily been people in bars and clubs catching it.
So to help reduce the risk of covid flaring up again here Cuomo is asking that people at bars need to eat and sit at a table. This helps limit the amount of time people will spend in the establishment as the place will want to have turnover at the tables and hopefully reduce the spread of covid as your chance of catching it increases with the amount of virus in the air and the duration of time spent in contact with the virus.
Less time spent there, less chance of catching virus. More food ordered equals bigger bill for bar. More turnover of customers means more money for bar.
It's rather simple.
I went to a steak house a few weeks ago. What grossed me out was the table (about 10 feet away, perfect social distancing) every person had their mask on the table. I sure hope that table was properly sanitized after they left! Doesn’t it live on surfaces for days? Or is that old statistical news?
I am sure the table is sanitized in between patrons. It is part of the rules required for restaurants to be reopened. There is a better place to put your mask, preferably your lap or wear a gator so it can just be lowered and raised as needed.
Covid is a respiratory virus and is spread primarily by respiratory droplets. Yes it is conceivable that you could touch a surface that has virus on it, touch your eye, and get the virus, but most cases are spread from in air Inhalation of the virus.
Hospital capacity is not a great indicator. I’ve worked at hospitals around the country. They always are full or near capacity, especially ICU’s and ER’s. That’s how they operate, long before 2020. Before COVID a crisis existed of hospitals being overwhelmed. It was routine to have patients lined up on stretchers in hallways, wait hours in waiting rooms, or spend days in the ER because the rest of the hospital was full. The only time they weren’t in my career is March and April(besides NYC), because fear kept people away. Heart attack, and stroke patients decided to suffer at home, resulting in permanent disability or death. Many hospital workers lost jobs and hours during that time.
It’s busier now, but compared to what? Unless there’s mass deaths in hallways because of lack of equipment or staff, than 100% capacity is not a concern. It’s always been managed around that level. Doctors decide who to discharge and who not to, sometimes more aggressively if rooms are needed.
I imagine you are intelligent enough to watch the news or read a newspaper. There has been a flare up in this country of covid which is stretching hospital capacity in many areas of the country. The culprit has primarily been people in bars and clubs catching it.
So to help reduce the risk of covid flaring up again here Cuomo is asking that people at bars need to eat and sit at a table. This helps limit the amount of time people will spend in the establishment as the place will want to have turnover at the tables and hopefully reduce the spread of covid as your chance of catching it increases with the amount of virus in the air and the duration of time spent in contact with the virus.
Less time spent there, less chance of catching virus. More food ordered equals bigger bill for bar. More turnover of customers means more money for bar.
It's rather simple.
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For example, Syracuse has been in Phase 3 for over one month (started June 12th). If you look at the NY Forward website data, you can see that "new cases" have been steady at around 30-50 per day since then (~1% tests are positive). There has been no "spike" or any other anomaly which you would have expected to see upon reopening indoor dining and bars.
This is consistent with all other regions in NY. Clearly, indoor dining is not a risky proposition. It is mind boggling how Cuomo is still keeping NYC restaurants virtually closed (just allowing outdoor dining and takeout inst a viable long-term solution). I understand that congregate gatherings indoors with re-circulated air are the most likely ways to spread SARS-CoV2 (and this is why Sun Belt states are seeing higher case numbers now)... however, my personal theory is that parts of NY (denser areas) have already achieved heard immunity and we will not see any "spikes" like the Sun Belt states are seeing.
For example, Syracuse has been in Phase 3 for over one month (started June 12th). If you look at the NY Forward website data, you can see that "new cases" have been steady at around 30-50 per day since then (~1% tests are positive). There has been no "spike" or any other anomaly which you would have expected to see upon reopening indoor dining and bars.
This is consistent with all other regions in NY. Clearly, indoor dining is not a risky proposition. It is mind boggling how Cuomo is still keeping NYC restaurants virtually closed (just allowing outdoor dining and takeout inst a viable long-term solution). I understand that congregate gatherings indoors with re-circulated air are the most likely ways to spread SARS-CoV2 (and this is why Sun Belt states are seeing higher case numbers now)... however, my personal theory is that parts of NY (denser areas) have already achieved heard immunity and we will not see any "spikes" like the Sun Belt states are seeing.
You can't get herd immunity with covid. Antibodies start wearing off after 2 to 3 months. The difference between us an the south is we are keeping restaurants at lower capacity while 1 percent are testing positive. They opened up with much higher capacity levels while over 5 percent were testing positive. That was a recipe for disaster.
For example, Syracuse has been in Phase 3 for over one month (started June 12th). If you look at the NY Forward website data, you can see that "new cases" have been steady at around 30-50 per day since then (~1% tests are positive). There has been no "spike" or any other anomaly which you would have expected to see upon reopening indoor dining and bars.
This is consistent with all other regions in NY. Clearly, indoor dining is not a risky proposition. It is mind boggling how Cuomo is still keeping NYC restaurants virtually closed (just allowing outdoor dining and takeout inst a viable long-term solution). I understand that congregate gatherings indoors with re-circulated air are the most likely ways to spread SARS-CoV2 (and this is why Sun Belt states are seeing higher case numbers now)... however, my personal theory is that parts of NY (denser areas) have already achieved heard immunity and we will not see any "spikes" like the Sun Belt states are seeing.
You can't get herd immunity with covid. Antibodies start wearing off after 2 to 3 months. The difference between us an the south is we are keeping restaurants at lower capacity while 1 percent are testing positive. They opened up with much higher capacity levels while over 5 percent were testing positive. That was a recipe for disaster.
I don't believe that there cannot be herd immunity. If there cannot be, then why are companies trying to discover/create vaccines? Antibodies fade after your body clears all the virus out (this is well known) and then your T cells retain memory to fight the virus if it comes back.
"These findings demonstrate that virus-specific T cells induced by betacoronanvirus infection are long-lasting, supporting the notion that COVID19 patients will develop long-term T cell immunity."
I don't believe that there cannot be herd immunity. If there cannot be, then why are companies trying to discover/create vaccines? Antibodies fade after your body clears all the virus out (this is well known) and then your T cells retain memory to fight the virus if it comes back.
"These findings demonstrate that virus-specific T cells induced by betacoronanvirus infection are long-lasting, supporting the notion that COVID19 patients will develop long-term T cell immunity."
The study in the article has not been peer reviewed. Hopefully what they claim is true, but we don't have unbiased confirmation of it yet.
The vaccines were started and then scientists found out about the small time period of immunity. It is part of the reason why we have never been able to provide a vaccine for a corona virus.
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