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I work in the city and I wanted to campare my salary with a local long island school district.
You will see that they fall somewhere in the low middle. However, NYC teachers pay nothing for health care benefits which adds quite a lot to their salary and that our pensions (I am a retired NYC teacher) are somewhat better.
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They don't want the public to know how much they make.
If the public did know, there would be hell to pay.
The public already knows, and it's easy to see because there are hundreds of people moaning about their salaries, as well as cops, daily, on local message boards,
Teachers are well paid, but what people need to remember is that a masters degree is required for this line of work..it's not like a Suffolk or Nassau Police Officer, who makes more than a teacher, has just as much time off, and retires earlier, yet only needs a high school education.
Compare what a masters degree in business or finance or engineering will get you in terms of salary, and you will realize that teaching is fairly compensated on LI. If you want to pay people less, maybe you should lessen the requirements? Do you expect someone to get a masters degree and make $35K a year in an area where rent is $1200 a month?
The public already knows, and it's easy to see because there are hundreds of people moaning about their salaries, as well as cops, daily, on local message boards,
Teachers are well paid, but what people need to remember is that a masters degree is required for this line of work..it's not like a Suffolk or Nassau Police Officer, who makes more than a teacher, has just as much time off, and retires earlier, yet only needs a high school education.
Compare what a masters degree in business or finance or engineering will get you in terms of salary, and you will realize that teaching is fairly compensated on LI. If you want to pay people less, maybe you should lessen the requirements? Do you expect someone to get a masters degree and make $35K a year in an area where rent is $1200 a month?
Lets see.
A police office risks his/her life every day he/she puts on the uniform. In no way does a teacher face life and death issues on a regular basis that a police officer does.
As far as getting a masters to be a teacher, it is all B.S. Any person with a pulse and a pencil can get a masters in education. There are no entry tests to get into a "school of education." The LAST and ATSW tests that teachers do need to pass are a joke. The requirements to become a teacher are an insult to the actual qualified teachers out there.
In no way does having a masters in education compare at all to having a MD degree, CPA license, a Law degree, an MBA or a Masters in a field like engineering or other practical sciences.
Would Long Island school districts be able to pay less and still attract qualified teachers? The answer is a definitive YES. If the choice is between teaching in some inner city school or a pleasant suburban school (even for less money) I'd bet the teacher candidates would still be lining up for the suburban school jobs.
I don't know why the school districts keep giving the teachers raises out here. They should offer a pay cut. I mean what are the teachers going to do? Threaten to go teach in NYC - DOUBT IT.
Teachers are not the sole cause of high taxes on LI
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Originally Posted by dman72
Teachers are well paid, but what people need to remember is that a masters degree is required for this line of work
Sadly, there are many positions that require master's degrees that do not make anywhere near the equivalent of an engineer, for example. Librarians and certified social workers come to mind. Then there are master's degrees where people find it hard to get jobs. History and Art come to mind. Just the virtue of having a master's degree does not and should not guarantee you are "set for life" when it comes to salaries.
That being said, I think there is too much focus on teacher salaries on Long Island when placing blame for the high taxes. If teachers are paid above average wages, we have the pick of the litter, not people who "can't do, so they teach." The teachers are the ones with the children all day, guiding them. I was raised on LI and I will say that I had several teachers who were an inspiration to me and who also looked out for me in ways that did not garner them extra pay. For example, I had an english teacher who went out of her way to correspond with me during the summer. I think good teachers are worth it.
I place the blame on the multiple fiefdoms of school districts and the school superintendents and administrators that PAY THEMSELVES LIKE ROCK STARS. If you have to recreate an entire school district bureaucracy every few miles and it is staffed with superintendents and administrators who make on average over $200K a year, of course the taxes are going to be high.
That is a good reason for consolidation of school districts. However, it is a double-edged sword. Many people, while they do not like the high taxes, realize that the rating of their school district favorably or unfavorably affects their property values. So, if for example, there was a push to consolidate a very highly rated school district with others that were not very well rated, I could see those in the highly rated school district protesting against it, even if it would lower their taxes.
How come that the parochial school teachers make about 1/2 what a public school teacher makes. But yet the children are learning, and doing better in their tests??
What are the public schools doing wrong that their children cannot do better?? How come in a 8th grade graduating class, only 53% of children can pass??
There is something wrong here. I know its not the op's question, but it gives food for thought.
How come that the parochial school teachers make about 1/2 what a public school teacher makes. But yet the children are learning, and doing better in their tests??
What are the public schools doing wrong that their children cannot do better?? How come in a 8th grade graduating class, only 53% of children can pass??
There is something wrong here. I know its not the op's question, but it gives food for thought.
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Well, thats easy to answer, parochial schools can be selective. If a kid needs special services, will they be in parochial school? No, they are in public.
What about just bad and lazy kids....well they tend to get kicked out of parochial schools and go to public.
Most, not all, parochial school kids come from very stable families who spened alot of time and money in educating their kids. They support the teachers, not dismiss them.
They should offer a pay cut. I mean what are the teachers going to do? Threaten to go teach in NYC - DOUBT IT.
Quit and leave. Because you can't take a job that doesn't pay enough for you to live on.
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