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Old 11-17-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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It's about damn time. Sorry teachers, you're not hot sh*t anymore. Oh wait, you never were.
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Old 11-17-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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Keep in mind that teacher contracts are for 3-4 years at a time. Although I agree that sometimes teacher unions ask for too much of a raise in this economy....teachers do live on LI and at least deserve a basic cost of living increase. Qualified teachers make better schools which to help property values.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:02 PM
 
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Keep in mind that teacher contracts are for 3-4 years at a time. Although I agree that sometimes teacher unions ask for too much of a raise in this economy....teachers do live on LI and at least deserve a basic cost of living increase. Qualified teachers make better schools which to help property values.
Teachers should be satisfied with keeping their current salary scales and not ask for COL increases considering that their total compensation packages are way above what the average person on LI receives when you combine salary, time off, and pensions, and the way the economy is now. Many people in private industry haven't had a significant, if any, raise in years, plus they don't have automatic pay increases for steps and credits, nevermind the job security.

Keep in mind you're talking to someone married to a teacher. Some of the teachers on LI need to take a hard look at what other people around them with similar educations and experience are getting paid..and you need to take into account salary, time off, the true value of your pension and other benefits. At my wifes school about 75% of the people seem to get it, while the other 25% are screaming about how they shouldn't give an inch. Granted, they've already given more back than teachers in many districts, but relative to the people who live where they teach..they have nothing to complain about.

The only deal that is sweeter out there, relative to education levels and total compensation, is SC and NC PD.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:10 PM
 
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Can you elaborate??

dman72, is point on: It's the school board that presents the budget to district residents for their approval.

Electing a school board that presents a more rational budget is far better than the harder job of voting down a budget because of concern that this will affect property values, and because a bad school board, following the defeat of a budget, can present another budget for voter approval that is not much different from the original budget that was defeated. If, this second budget is defeated as well, then the district goes on a contingency budget, but even if on a contingency budget, this does not prevent a new budget-busting teachers' contract from being negotiated by the incumbent tone-deaf school board.

You want an elected school board that is not afraid to fire and replace every teacher in their district if these teachers do not like a more rational contract ( = sharp reduction is wages and benefits) and either go on strike or stage a work slowdown.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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dman72, is point on: It's the school board that presents the budget to district residents for their approval.

Electing a school board that presents a more rational budget is far better than the harder job of voting down a budget because of concern that this will affect property values, and because a bad school board, following the defeat of a budget, can present another budget for voter approval that is not much different from the original budget that was defeated. If, this second budget is defeated as well, then the district goes on a contingency budget, but even if on a contingency budget, this does not prevent a new budget-busting teachers' contract from being negotiated by the incumbent tone-deaf school board.

You want an elected school board that is not afraid to fire and replace every teacher in their district if these teachers do not like a more rational contract ( = sharp reduction is wages and benefits) and either go on strike or stage a work slowdown.
It doesn't get to that because there is something called the Taylor law..the teachers cannot strike nor can the district just fire all of them. It goes to arbitration. Same thing with police, you couldn't just fire all of SCPD and hire new guys, although there are other means to deal with them.

More than likely what new contracts will do is screw the new hires..the current teachers will stick it to the people just coming on to pacify the populace. Either way, there has to be a breaking point. The districts should be encouraging early retirement to get the really high salaries out, then a new contract should lower max pay scale. Also, there is a lot of other nonsense that some districts are phasing out like the amount of home schooling...I've heard that one district is stopping all the home teaching and making people go to night school who are suspended and such. I think every district should do that, why should a student who was suspended get a private lesson that the school district has to pay overtime to teachers for? That's kind of absurd.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:25 PM
 
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It's about damn time. Sorry teachers, you're not hot sh*t anymore. Oh wait, you never were.
Sounds like a personal problem you've got there.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:26 PM
 
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Teachers should be satisfied with keeping their current salary scales and not ask for COL increases considering that their total compensation packages are way above what the average person on LI receives when you combine salary, time off, and pensions, and the way the economy is now. Many people in private industry haven't had a significant, if any, raise in years, plus they don't have automatic pay increases for steps and credits, nevermind the job security.

Keep in mind you're talking to someone married to a teacher. Some of the teachers on LI need to take a hard look at what other people around them with similar educations and experience are getting paid..and you need to take into account salary, time off, the true value of your pension and other benefits. At my wifes school about 75% of the people seem to get it, while the other 25% are screaming about how they shouldn't give an inch. Granted, they've already given more back than teachers in many districts, but relative to the people who live where they teach..they have nothing to complain about.

The only deal that is sweeter out there, relative to education levels and total compensation, is SC and NC PD.
^^ Married to a teacher and concur.
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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Sounds like a personal problem you've got there.
All teachers do are whine and expect raises. They are not the ONLY hard-working people. I am sick of them saying they work too hard. I work hard too!
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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All teachers do are whine and expect raises. They are not the ONLY hard-working people. I am sick of them saying they work too hard. I work hard too!

I don't know, I know a few dozen teachers personally and I've never heard one of them say they are the only hard working people. Sweeping unfounded generalizations much?
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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I don't know, I know a few dozen teachers personally and I've never heard one of them say they are the only hard working people. Sweeping unfounded generalizations much?
It's a younger teacher thing. They can't handle their workloads. They complain they have work to do for HOURS, meanwhile they get to do it on their couch, in their jammies drinking booze if they want to. I have 8pm nights @ work generally most nights. Doing work @ home is far different than being AT WORK doing work.
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