3 men arrested in connection with violent home-invasion robbery in Calabasas (2015, neighborhoods)

[ryanms3030]

Originally Posted by majoun

Never local? Even with the heroin epidemic? I find that very hard to believe

Heroin addicts aren't doing violent armed home invasions. Junkies like crimes of opportunity such as car break ins where they have little chance of running into someone. We do have plenty of those too but mostly because we have lots of stupid people that leave their cars unlocked in their drive ways because they are used to it being a safe area. Also most of the junkies in Santa Clarita are privileged white teens and young adults who's parents give them money or they just steal from their parents wallets

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by ryanms3030

the perps are black gang members. It's very common for these criminals from Compton/South LA etc to drive out to Calabasas and other nice neighborhoods to do their home invasions. Much more opportunity and less resistance. I live in a nicer part of Santa Clarita and we have this happening all the time and the perps are never local. It also helps that we don't even have our own police and rely on sherrifs who never come into our part of town unless a crime happens because it's so quiet and safe. But that just means the professional criminals know that even if someone calls the cops that they have a certain window of time to do what they need to do and still get away before cops show up on the scene

The Palos Verdes Peninsula is the same way. According to the local sheriff dept., 100% of the home invasions are perpetrated by people who live elsewhere.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

But we need the television cameras on their mothers, because I'm sure they were good boys who "didn't do nuthin'."

Justice-affected 'youths' are perceived as victims themselves.

Truth be told, I do feel a limited degree of sadness for even the perpetrators. Many of them got sucked into this thug lifestyle, and, like these perps, are now on their way to failing themselves and society.

The thug life glorification is a big part of the problem. People should not falsely associate African American culture with being a thug. It is a gross distortion.

[ryanms3030]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Justice-affected 'youths' are perceived as victims themselves.

Truth be told, I do feel a limited degree of sadness for even the perpetrators. Many of them got sucked into this thug lifestyle, and, like these perps, are now on their way to failing themselves and society.

The thug life glorification is a big part of the problem. People should not falsely associate African American culture with being a thug. It is a gross distortion.

A bigger part of the problem is kids growing up without 2 good parents or even 1 good parent in many cases. It's amazing how much better people turn out when they are actually cared for and taught how to be a human

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by ryanms3030

A bigger part of the problem is kids growing up without 2 good parents or even 1 good parent in many cases. It's amazing how much better people turn out when they are actually cared for and taught how to be a human

Yeah having a dad can work wonders too. But there is also deep societal decay and much of it is the thug life acceptance.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Justice-affected 'youths' are perceived as victims themselves.

Truth be told, I do feel a limited degree of sadness for even the perpetrators. Many of them got sucked into this thug lifestyle, and, like these perps, are now on their way to failing themselves and society.

The thug life glorification is a big part of the problem. People should not falsely associate African American culture with being a thug. It is a gross distortion.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. I have a lot more sympathy for hardworking illegals than I have for them. We should deport all the Crips and Bloods not the illegals who aren't in gangs and who aren't committing violent crime (the overwhelming, overwhelming majority).

Let's face it, it might be trendy to blame illegals but they actually do contribute things to society. Unlike black gangbangers.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by ryanms3030

A bigger part of the problem is kids growing up without 2 good parents or even 1 good parent in many cases. It's amazing how much better people turn out when they are actually cared for and taught how to be a human

That's actually the key. A single mom raising boys who she had out of wedlock guarantees problems, especially if she's on welfare.

[pharmboyinSD]

Originally Posted by majoun

...Unlike black gangbangers.

How about all gangbangers? Take them all away and put them to work. Maybe dig up a river or build a wall or something.

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Truth be told, I do feel a limited degree of sadness for even the perpetrators.

If they were youths, I would have some sympathy. As an adult, not at all. Don't blame the parents or lack thereof for their final accountability.

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

People should not falsely associate African American culture with being a thug. It is a gross distortion.

Completely agree. A sincere smile (attitude) should be the first impression, not the color of ones skin.

Originally Posted by ryanms3030

You can still shoot them in your own home...just have to reload after 10 rounds

I wonder if CA gun laws, like the 10 round magazine max capacity, have actually shown to decrease firearm-related deaths. It seems criminals and thugs will break the law anyway, obtaining standard capacity mags, while law-abiding citizens have one less freedom. Then again, if one can't do it with 10, they need to practice more...or pick up a baseball bat instead. In this case, there were multiple attackers, so a standard capacity magazine could have had benefit, but not many people are responsive enough to bare arms in response to an intruder, especially waking up in the middle of the night. I would have to calmly ask the intruder to come back in ten minutes after I drink my morning coffee to function. Also, multiple shots put others at risk, like family and neighbors.

Originally Posted by Patrolman

And don't forget the draconian gun laws we have to live with. Heaven forbid if an evildoer gets shot.

Agree, the defensive shooter will have to deal with the fallout. There is precedence of wrongful death lawsuits due to excessive force based on multiple shoots, typically when the intruder survive the gunshots or shot in the back. Not saying the lawsuits were successful (or makes sense) but the courtroom drama and legal fees are costly.

Now back to work for me

[CDT93]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

But we need the television cameras on their mothers, because I'm sure they were good boys who "didn't do nuthin'."

Typical Liberal response.

[ryanms3030]

Originally Posted by pharmboyinSD

How about all gangbangers? Take them all away and put them to work. Maybe dig up a river or build a wall or something.


If they were youths, I would have some sympathy. As an adult, not at all. Don't blame the parents or lack thereof for their final accountability.


Completely agree. A sincere smile (attitude) should be the first impression, not the color of ones skin.


I wonder if CA gun laws, like the 10 round magazine max capacity, have actually shown to decrease firearm-related deaths. It seems criminals and thugs will break the law anyway, obtaining standard capacity mags, while law-abiding citizens have one less freedom. Then again, if one can't do it with 10, they need to practice more...or pick up a baseball bat instead. In this case, there were multiple attackers, so a standard capacity magazine could have had benefit, but not many people are responsive enough to bare arms in response to an intruder, especially waking up in the middle of the night. I would have to calmly ask the intruder to come back in ten minutes after I drink my morning coffee to function. Also, multiple shots put others at risk, like family and neighbors.


Agree, the defensive shooter will have to deal with the fallout. There is precedence of wrongful death lawsuits due to excessive force based on multiple shoots, typically when the intruder survive the gunshots or shot in the back. Not saying the lawsuits were successful (or makes sense) but the courtroom drama and legal fees are costly.

Now back to work for me

I think all gun laws have proven to only effect law abiding citizens. Criminals are not walking into a gun store and buying guns. They are getting them on the black market and they are getting automatic weapons with high cap mags. Any one of us can log onto the dark web right now and buy any gun we want. It's time to stop the charades. Excessive gun laws only put the rest of us at a disadvantage when it comes to protecting ourselves and family against criminals....and the government and that's what the second amendment is really about.