LAPD Still Won't Get Vaccinated (lawyer, buyers, pay)

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by (901)

No it wouldn't. Millions get the flu shot every year. I never have and never will.

So other than the flu shot, which vaccines?
I was thinking along those very same lines when I said it would be limiting, meaning limited precisely to that. Shingles vaccine maybe? a few others come to mind, but for the most part, the bulk of all vaccine decisions were made for most people prior to adulthood.


And my point was, there doesn't have to be a litmus test for whether an individual truly objects to vaccines in general, or just the covid vaccine, in order for a personal objection to be valid with respect to the latter. I actually agree with the idea that a person can be fine with every other vaccine and not with the one in question, and still maintain some ideological purity. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. How the courts ultimately interpret individual cases is where we'll find the limits.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

They probably would need an affidavit from, for instance, a religious official in a local congregation or a history of requesting time off work for religious reasons, plus the faith would have to be documented as somewhat against vaccines.

Not disagreeing with that in concept, but in practice it becomes a mess. It also creates a situation where institutional religion has greater validity over personal belief. That has first amendment backlash written all over it.

I think some police need to think this through more, in terms of backlash from HQ and the court system if they try to be exempted for illegitimate beliefs. Nobody wants dishonest cops on the force.

It's too subjective to say one belief is legitimate and another isn't. JMO.
Reading the one lawsuit (I think for the firefighters), they're even opposed to the testing mandate. So in that case, religious exemption would be even muddier.

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

1) I put "punishment" in quotes for a reason. I am not an anti-masker.
2) I have heard no reports where COVID-19 definitely spread between vaccinated people, and I'd be surprised if it isn't very rare in people who were vaccinated less than 6 months before.

My wife and I were vaccinated in May and we both recently contracted Covid in the beginning of Sept. If transmission and infection of covid in vaccinated people is rare, it’s not rare enough where both of us were infected.

Again, if you’re vaccinated and it is rare for you to get infected by covid, then why care about those who refuse the vaccination?

[Nyfinestbxtf]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Religious exemption is very vague, and even faiths which typically reject medicine (i.e. Christian Science, etc.) aren't specifically opposed to vaccines. That fractures the argument and possible litigation into a million little pieces since it all boils down to personal beliefs. It certainly would strengthen an individual's own case if they could claim some connection to a well-known faith that has some minimal, tangible objection to medicine, but it's not requisite the way I'm seeing it.

But who is going to drag an individual who obtained a religious exemption to court to prove the legitimacy of their exemption?

[(901)]

Originally Posted by joosoon

So other than the flu shot, which vaccines?
I was thinking along those very same lines when I said it would be limiting, meaning limited precisely to that. Shingles vaccine maybe? a few others come to mind, but for the most part, the bulk of all vaccine decisions were made for most people prior to adulthood.


And my point was, there doesn't have to be a litmus test for whether an individual truly objects to vaccines in general, or just the covid vaccine, in order for a personal objection to be valid with respect to the latter. I actually agree with the idea that a person can be fine with every other vaccine and not with the one in question, and still maintain some ideological purity. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. How the courts ultimately interpret individual cases is where we'll find the limits.

How are the courts going to rule on 50,000,000 cases (one-by-one) will be another problem not to mention appeals

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by Nyfinestbxtf

But who is going to drag an individual who obtained a religious exemption to court to prove the legitimacy of their exemption?

It'll work the other direction much the same as anything; an individual will have their exemption rejected by an employer or whatnot, and sue.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by (901)

How are the courts going to rule on 50,000,000 cases (one-by-one) will be another problem not to mention appeals

Until there's some better precedent, yes. It won't take that many cases to establish some semblance of a framework though. It's preferable to trying to write in specifics to law, as to what is and isn't a legitimate exemption. My view is it shouldn't be difficult to get a personal belief exemption, minus any connection to religion. As the UMass case sort of proves, it's too easy to reject such a thing.


And the best course of action right now to all these mandates is to simply offer a testing option and avoid all the mess, while incentivizing vaccination instead.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Kid Ashbury

When faced with the fact that the "vaccines" do not prevent infection or prevent transmission to others, and are thus not actual effective vaccines...

Endless news cycles and viral social media warn of “breakthrough infections” in people already vaccinated for COVID-19. These reports leave the mistaken impression that protections afforded by the vaccines are not working—and they can fuel reticence among the millions of people in the U.S. who have yet to get a shot. But such infections are not only known to occur after COVID vaccination. They frequently happen following inoculation against influenza, measles and many other diseases.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...s-are-failing/

[goodheathen]

Few vaccinated people aren't negatively affected by the pandemic. Besides some high-risk settings that they might know to avoid (for example, parties with some unvaccinated individuals) that otherwise would be beneficial, there's ongoing damage to finances and interpersonal relationships from inconveniences and worse the virus causes.

How small-minded many unvaccinated people are being, with police turning into almost public enemy no. 1 in that regard.

[goodheathen]

Also, instead of pleading natural immunity, police officers should look at the info that previous infection plus vaccine makes people extra safe. I was aware of that last winter.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/study-fin...183038429.html

It dawned on me that many police have to interact with the jail system, which is one of the highest-risk environments out there.