Do You Want the Baltimore Red Line or the Washington Purple Line built?? (Columbia: transplants, lease)

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Originally Posted by TommyCarcetti

Are you insane? The original interstate plans for Baltimore City would have went straight through what is today the Inner Harbor, Harbor East, Fells Point, & Federal Hill...or in other words, some of the city's most vibrant neighborhoods. That would have been great...NOT!
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That is exactly what Tom Lennox wants. He'd be happy if downtown shifted to Dundalk (so long as he can pick and choose who's coming).

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by TommyCarcetti

Are you insane? The original interstate plans for Baltimore City would have went straight through what is today the Inner Harbor, Harbor East, Fells Point, & Federal Hill...or in other words, some of the city's most vibrant neighborhoods. That would have been great...NOT!

And MDallstar was on point when he said that the Baltimore and Washington regions subsidize Western MD and the Eastern Shore. Not the other way around buddy. Ocean City would still be a bunch of sand dunes if the 95 corridor taxpayers didn't fund the bay bridge.

This.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by TommyCarcetti

Are you insane? The original interstate plans for Baltimore City would have went straight through what is today the Inner Harbor, Harbor East, Fells Point, & Federal Hill...or in other words, some of the city's most vibrant neighborhoods. That would have been great...NOT!

And MDallstar was on point when he said that the Baltimore and Washington regions subsidize Western MD and the Eastern Shore. Not the other way around buddy. Ocean City would still be a bunch of sand dunes if the 95 corridor taxpayers didn't fund the bay bridge.

How about we give you your money back to built the Maeve, Turquois, and Crimson metro lines, and you stop dictating our land use, and creating regulations and taxes that drive businesses and home construction right over the river to WV, or over the M-D into PA?

We would be better off with regulations and tax policies that allow us to compete with our neighboring counties then we are with the "welfare" checks we receive from Annapolis.

Sound fair?

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Originally Posted by westsideboy

Sound fair?

Yes.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown

Yes.

Great, I would start writing up the cessession documentation, but I researched it years ago, and it seems counties are not sovereign entities. They are merely juristictional conveniences set up by the states. So, Maryland would have to disown us, or trade us.

Here is what I propose

MD gives Allegany and Garrett Counties to WV
WV gives Berkeley and Jefferson Counties to VA
VA gives their finger of the Eastern Shore to MD

Western Maryland is more like WV anyway. Those two Shenandoah Counties in WV are by all rights part of VA, only Union occupation compelled them to join WV. The weird exclave of VA that many cheap maps already color as part of Maryland join the Eastern Shore. If the terms don't work out as written, you can always also thrown in a few future draft picks, or some "cash consideration"

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Neat idea!

Originally Posted by westsideboy

VA gives their finger of the Eastern Shore to MD

However this would add another two more "money hole" counties to MD.

[jonjj]

Originally Posted by westsideboy

Great, I would start writing up the cessession documentation, but I researched it years ago, and it seems counties are not sovereign entities. They are merely juristictional conveniences set up by the states. So, Maryland would have to disown us, or trade us.

Here is what I propose

MD gives Allegany and Garrett Counties to WV
WV gives Berkeley and Jefferson Counties to VA
VA gives their finger of the Eastern Shore to MD

Western Maryland is more like WV anyway. Those two Shenandoah Counties in WV are by all rights part of VA, only Union occupation compelled them to join WV. The weird exclave of VA that many cheap maps already color as part of Maryland join the Eastern Shore. If the terms don't work out as written, you can always also thrown in a few future draft picks, or some "cash consideration"

hehehe---i know a few history buffs in oakland, md who would fight tooth and nail if their county was to be given to west virginia. by the way, isn't maryland unique because it has all of these different geographical forms and landscapes in one small space? a better baltimore makes a better maryland which in turn makes a better western maryland.

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by HandsUpThumbsDown

Neat idea!



However this would add another two more "money hole" counties to MD.

Trade two away, get two back. But, VA won't control access on both sides of the Bay anymore. Might be important if "the South rises again" like Charlie Daniels promised us


And all three state maps would look so much nicer.

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Originally Posted by westsideboy

Trade two away, get two back. But, VA won't control access on both sides of the Bay anymore. Might be important if "the South rises again" like Charlie Daniels promised us


And all three state maps would look so much nicer.

I dunno. I'd rather all of Garrett and Alleghany were just turned into state parks for me to enjoy the 3 weekends a year I have time to get out there and enjoy all that nature, free of any sort of industry or other unpleasantries. Hopefully there will be a Starbucks by the next time I come otherwise I'll just die!

(j/k)

[westsideboy]

Originally Posted by jonjj

hehehe---i know a few history buffs in oakland, md who would fight tooth and nail if their county was to be given to west virginia. by the way, isn't maryland unique because it has all of these different geographical forms and landscapes in one small space? a better baltimore makes a better maryland which in turn makes a better western maryland.

Not really. Smart Growth is the wave of the future downstate, it is a death penalty for us up here.

I guess no one considered that curbing suburban growth isn't a problem in a place that has none to begin with. We are 60 years behind the building curve. We have no sparse surburban areas to in-fill. We have:

Isolated century old towns

Forest

Our closest urban area is 65 miles from Hagerstown. Restricting our growth to Cumberland and west effectively cuts off any chance we have of being able to tap into the riches you guys take for granted. We are different places, with different needs. If Annapolis realized this and didn't ram downstate values and practices down our throat, and allowed us to choose a path that actually helped our community, I would have no complaints. Sadly, they don't.

Not a knock on our PA or WV neighbors, but it is a pretty sad state of affairs when businesses and residents choose to open up shop or live there rather than in "the Queen City of the Alleghenies." Time was our neighbors were part of our sphere of influence. Anymore, Allegany County is the empty donut hole in already poor region. Regulated by those that don't know or understand our community. Annapolis tries to substitute understanding by throwing money at our problems. It hasn't worked.