Coronavirus in Massachusetts (schools, restaurants, vs.)

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by massnative71

He probably felt that since the kids weren't wearing them, why should he bother? That's how a lot of people feel (understandably).

That's kind of a silly attitude to not bother to wear a mask just because someone else isn't wearing while we're at it. Anyone else is free to keep wearing an N95 if they'd like.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by porterhouse

Tough times for the Covid enthusiasts. Many have already deftly pivoted into foreign policy experts though.

I noticed this. Hilarious.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by massnative71

I'm confused. Every study I seen, demonstrates the harm inflicted from closing schools, as well as the effectiveness of masks in reducing transmission within the schools and keeping kids there in class. You seem to think that cloth face masks are a greater abuse than preventable absences and ongoing rolling quarantines?

Yes, you are. Almost everybody else has realized "masks or further restrictions, you choose" is not a natural condition but an imposed false dilemma whose ridiculousness is now glaringly evident.

You can choose to just remove all restrictions, which is what even the most restriction-happy locales are doing at the present moment, now that the restrictions and the abuser logic they're built on ("if you don't do x, I'll have to do y...and you wouldn't want me to do y, would you?") are no longer politically tenable.

"We're doing restrictions so we don't have to do restrictions" is no way to function, so it's good to see people -- some who've taken longer than others -- waking up to it.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by porterhouse

I know you are confused (as are a great many people in this state). Masks worn below the nose, on the chin, soaking wet, dirty, etc. do absolutely nothing to reduce the spread of Covid. This describes 90%+ of masks worn by children in school. Are any children wearing fitted N95 masks in school? No... By all means though, keep the theater going at the expense of severe academic and social developmental delays, particularly to the populations most at risk. Using children as pawns to please teachers unions and the pajama class is over.

Our kids bus driver had actual tears in her eye yesterday, as she had never seen their faces and vice versa. It's beautiful to see people start to connect again.

I'm not confused in the slightest, it's your statement that was confusing. I was referring to the big picture, where school districts with mandates have been shown to have significantly lower transmission vs. those that do not. Nothing to do with the individual kid who isn't wearing one properly, etc.. We cannot predict what how things will transpire over the next two years, but you were speaking about the last two years. And data collected over the past two years points to less transmission (resulting in less missed school) within districts with mask mandates. Your statement suggested that masking is more harmful to the students, than the more days out of school. I have yet to see anything supporting that. My personal observations are that this is more of a "parents' issue" than the kids'.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

That's kind of a silly attitude to not bother to wear a mask just because someone else isn't wearing while we're at it. Anyone else is free to keep wearing an N95 if they'd like.

No it's a rational, human (although maybe a little selfish) decision. If people see that others will not go the extra mile for them, why bother replicating the same in return? Like what is the personal incentive? Many won't bother with the N95 masks, considering how restrictive and uncomfortable they can be (ymmv).

[porterhouse]

Originally Posted by massnative71

IYour statement suggested that masking is more harmful to the students, than the more days out of school. I have yet to see anything supporting that.

In no way did I state or imply that. Nice attempt at gaslighting though. Perhaps focus less on passive aggressive scare quotes and more reading comprehension?

My original post on this topic was clearly about masking. However, both are reprehensible and damaging to children. Yeah, its a "parents issue". Kids don't tend to realize when they are over a year behind where they otherwise would be academically, or that they are no longer comfortable interacting with adults with out a mask on.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by massnative71

No it's a rational, human (although maybe a little selfish) decision. If people see that others will not go the extra mile for them, why bother replicating the same in return? Like what is the personal incentive? Many won't bother with the N95 masks, considering how restrictive and uncomfortable they can be (ymmv).

Wow sorry you’re so sad to see the masks go

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by porterhouse

In no way did I state or imply that. Nice attempt at gaslighting though. Perhaps focus less on passive aggressive scare quotes and more reading comprehension?

My original post on this topic was clearly about masking. However, both are reprehensible and damaging to children. Yeah, its a "parents issue". Kids don't tend to realize when they are over a year behind where they otherwise would be academically, or that they are no longer comfortable interacting with adults with out a mask on.

The issue with what you are saying is that you cannot speak of the harm inflicted by one measure (mask mandate), without acknowledging the reality that not doing so will have other consequences. I mean you are free to zone in on the evils of masks if you so choose, but that's not going to effectively convince those of us who look at the bigger picture.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Wow sorry you’re so sad to see the masks go

Huh???


Although, I would be lying to say that I'm looking forward to seeing "many people"'s faces again.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by massnative71

Huh???


Although, I would be lying to say that I'm looking forward to seeing "many people"'s faces again.

That's too bad. I enjoy seeing people's faces. One of many reasons I'm glad masks are becoming a thing of the past.