Names of people arrested in Boston Sunday for rioting. (nightclub, association)

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

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Absolutely. I doubt if he were a white man that the officer would have been on his neck for 9 minutes. Who are you kidding.

To be fair in dealing with the protests I think the Police hasn't been particularly racist, I even saw them push to the ground old white males injuring seriously at least one of them. That's quite progressive!

[mdovell]

Originally Posted by jayrandom

They are typically NOT covered for riots and looting. They can be, but it's usually too expensive.

And the "insurance will cover it" is a really bad reason to excuse something destructive, anyway.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/insu...usinesses.html

"The silver lining for business owners impacted by these events is that damage from rioting is typically covered in property policies, according to the American Property Casualty Insurance Association.

An APCIA spokesperson said riots and riots attending a strike are “named perils” in property policies, unless it is excluded by some special surplus lines form, and would be included on an “all-risk” policy as those are broader.

“In general, a business owner’s insurance policy covers damage to property and the contents inside when the cause is fire, riots, civil commotion or vandalism,” the Hartford told CNBC. “Additionally, a standard business policy covers loss of income if the income loss results from physical damage to the premises caused by a riot or civil commotion.”

Well that's the actual insurance industry association.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

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Absolutely. I doubt if he were a white man that the officer would have been on his neck for 9 minutes. Who are you kidding.

Pretty crazy circumstances. They both worked together for years at the same problem/nuisance club that was targeted for shutdown several times. Cop went out of his way to support the club. Floyd had just lost his job because of coronavirus shutdowns and the club closed and was set on fire the first night of protests.

I have no extra knowledge obviously, but I agree that kneeing someone's neck takes a lot of will. Almost seems like it could be personal...

[jayrandom]

Originally Posted by mdovell

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/insu...usinesses.html

"The silver lining for business owners impacted by these events is that damage from rioting is typically covered in property policies, according to the American Property Casualty Insurance Association.

An APCIA spokesperson said riots and riots attending a strike are “named perils” in property policies, unless it is excluded by some special surplus lines form, and would be included on an “all-risk” policy as those are broader.

“In general, a business owner’s insurance policy covers damage to property and the contents inside when the cause is fire, riots, civil commotion or vandalism,” the Hartford told CNBC. “Additionally, a standard business policy covers loss of income if the income loss results from physical damage to the premises caused by a riot or civil commotion.”

Well that's the actual insurance industry association.

Guess I was wrong.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by Bridge781

There’s no way to prove it though. You and everyone else are assuming the man was killed because he is black

Yes there is probably no way to prove it, which is why the cop is not going to be convicted of a hate crime in a court of law.
But outside a court of law people can form their opinion in a more loose way and I feel like this obvious excess use of force resulting in death is not common at all with white people in the US. In fact, I don't even know how many cases (if any) there are in the last 10 years.

[Lampert]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

I have no extra knowledge obviously, but I agree that kneeing someone's neck takes a lot of will. Almost seems like it could be personal...

As far as I know there is no proof they knew each other.
Even if they did hate each other, I remind you that there were 3 other policemen (2 if you exclude the rookie) that did nothing about it pretty much approving what was happening.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Lampert

As far as I know there is no proof they knew each other.
Even if they did hate each other, I remind you that there were 3 other policemen (2 if you exclude the rookie) that did nothing about it pretty much approving what was happening.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the two worked at the same location for years and did not know each other. When I worked at Fenway, I knew the cops that worked there too.

I guess my between the lines suggestion is that there may have been shady dealings at this club that involved this officer directly, who sought to keep the game going. So I am implying that if this one cop is corrupt, why couldn't those others be in on it too?

I admit, this is all speculation. But you would admit that the circumstances are uncommon, no? The trial I'm sure will bear this all out. Just voicing my interpretation.

[id77]

Originally Posted by Lampert

As far as I know there is no proof they knew each other.
Even if they did hate each other, I remind you that there were 3 other policemen (2 if you exclude the rookie) that did nothing about it pretty much approving what was happening.

They worked together at the same night club for a few years in the past. It's unknown if they actually knew each other though as Chauvin was the outside bouncer and Floyd was an inside security guard, but it seems plausible to me that they knew of one another, though likely not personally enough to develop an animosity toward one another.

None of that explains what the bystander cops did (or rather, didn't do), of course.

[BostonMike7]

Originally Posted by id77

None of that explains what the bystander cops did (or rather, didn't do), of course.

It's going to be hard to make it stick that the aided in the murder of Floyd.

One of the three did try to get him to roll Floyd over twice and expressed concern, and was refused. Another went to crowd control duties and had his back to the scene so he may have been unaware of what was going on while trying to manage the crowd, and the third may have had a more significant role in helping hold down Floyd.


Edit: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vi...cid=spartanntp

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by id77

They worked together at the same night club for a few years in the past. It's unknown if they actually knew each other though as Chauvin was the outside bouncer and Floyd was an inside security guard, but it seems plausible to me that they knew of one another, though likely not personally enough to develop an animosity toward one another.

None of that explains what the bystander cops did (or rather, didn't do), of course.

I really can't think of a situation where security guards and cops at a club with historic trouble would not know each other.