07-21-2021, 10:47 AM
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Arrested for what? Because someone drowned in his pool? I have never heard that is what typically happens when someone drowns in a pool you own.
There is no fundamental difference between being arrested and being summonsed to court. Arrests are generally only useful when someone needs to be taken off the streets immediately or if there is reason to think they won't appear in court. As for criminal charges, it is determined on a case by case basis by a prosecutor based on what whether there is enough evidence to support a criminal conviction. Many of these MA cops have been criminally charged.
07-22-2021, 07:57 AM
Location: Baltimore
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^ the functional differenc is one is a major and visible deterrent one is much much less so.
07-22-2021, 09:29 AM
Location: Providence, RI
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I mean thousands of people have pool parties like this one and no one drowns. This one feels like an odd circumstance and guy who happens to be a former cop is going to be in trouble. I can't help but feel sorry for him.
It really
isn't that odd a circumstance, it's just mostly not newsworthy when it happens (like just about any other misdemeanor charge) because the offense rarely ever corresponds with death or a major injury. It usually doesn't end up even in arrest logs because it generally involves a summons rather than an actual arrest. It happened to the home owners of two different parties I went to in high school - no accidents, no injuries, no deaths. One kid went home drunk and his parents called the police, and another kid left and got pulled over like right outside of the driveway where the cops were just waiting for someone to leave. No jail time, but I'd presume at least a fine in each case.
In this case, it would have been news no matter what the homeowner did for work because it was a drowning in a year that drownings are way up and very much in the spotlight. Being a former cop is added media fodder, but certainly not the basis for the story (I think the drowning was all over the news before we even knew who owned the home). It's hard for me to have a ton of sympathy for him. If anyone should have known the risks, it's a retired trooper. My sympathy is definitely more with the family of the kid whose life was cut short. He made mistakes too, but I expect less of a teenager's judgement than I do a retiree and the consequences were much greater for the kid and his family than the trooper.
07-22-2021, 09:35 AM
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This is a reason I wouldn't want a pool. And I will never be that parent who allows parties. It is annoying that other parents out there do allow them or go away frequently leaving the kids home to do as they please.
07-22-2021, 09:48 AM
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This is a reason I wouldn't want a pool. And I will never be that parent who allows parties. It is annoying that other parents out there do allow them or go away frequently leaving the kids home to do as they please.
Accidents are accidents, but the bottom line is this guy provided/allowed alcohol for a group of minors.
07-22-2021, 10:12 AM
Location: Providence, RI
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Retired cops don't necessarily know things that anyone else wouldn't. I mean look at the chief of police who just got an oui.
Of
course a retired trooper knows it's illegal to provide alcohol to people under 21. I'd be shocked if throughout his whole career he
never encountered an instance where a kid under 21 got into some sort of trouble under the influence and the adult who supplied the kids wasn't charged. Just like the Mattapoisett chief absolutely knows it's illegal to drive under the influence. People do things they know they shouldn't all the time. This instance was ultimately an accident and certainly a worst-case scenario, but there's no way a retired state trooper doesn't know he's taking a
big risk by hosting this type of event.
07-22-2021, 10:53 AM
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From what i read the kid who drowned hadnt even had any alcohol
07-22-2021, 11:19 AM
Location: Baltimore
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Sure I feel bad for the family of the kid but did they know where their kid was ? If my 17 year old son went to a pool party I can't say I'd be expecting the parents to be watching the pool all night. I mean these are seniors in high school. They're practically men. They should know how to swim.
What? What?
What?
None of this makes sense.
They knew the kid was out at a graduation party. What they didn't know is an adult was providing him booze.
17 is practically a man? Really? I mean I guess. But he's not, he's a 17 year old kid.
Anyone who knows how to swim can still drown when inebriated.
A retired cop -What?? Of course, they do. They're often put into cushy positions after they retire that concern public safety.
07-22-2021, 11:20 AM
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From what i read the kid who drowned hadnt even had any alcohol
what did you read?
07-22-2021, 12:25 PM
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“He was observed not drinking at the party. So to suggest that this kid was a drinker and partying and that it’s his fault is not true. He’s not a drinker. And he’s 10 days shy of his 18th birthday," defense attorney Brian Kelly said. "So it’s unfair to suggest that he was a toddler, unsupervised near a pool. That’s not what happened.'
https://www.patriotledger.com/story/...ng/8041855002/
and yes he was 10 days away from his 18th bday. 18 is when people are considered an adult and one wouldn't think they'd be drowning in a swimming pool.
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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