Have you ever coughed or sneezed in a store recently? (Boston: live, professionals)

[rach5]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

It was actually the rate not the number that doubled. Too early when I was typing and omitted that. But I think it's still significant, given that volume was down 50 percent. The stats are easily available from Mass DOT.

Well, then, since you have the stats in front of you, how many deaths due to car accidents this year to date in MA, vs how many due to covid?

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

^Complete bogus claim with zero data to back it up. It's often cited by proponents of doing nothing as an excuse for why they did nothing and had no strategy to deal with this pandemic.

This is easily explainable I will find data on this it might take some time. people put off getting checked for cancer and then when they found cancer it was too late. It is a fact that suicides have gone up due to covid. people home all the time people become alcoholics. you never heard of this?

alcohol sales went up big time. Dr drew talked about this as well as other doctors. people lost their jobs so they probably killed themselves. It's all logical. People were afraid to go to the hospital because of the media overhyped the corona virus. someone told me that their mother had to wait for cancer treatments because the doctors did not want her to go to the hospital months ago. people put off going to the hospital so they had to have their legs chopped off. lots of health problems can get worse by not going to the hospital.

people might have had heart attacks and not wanting to go to the hospital died.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by rach5

Well, then, since you have the stats in front of you, how many deaths due to car accidents this year to date in MA, vs how many due to covid?

Who says I have the stats in front of me?

Gather your own data, make your own arguments.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by htfdcolt

^Complete bogus claim with zero data to back it up. It's often cited by proponents of doing nothing as an excuse for why they did nothing and had no strategy to deal with this pandemic.

I wouldn't quite be so sure about completely bogus....

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...ocial%20unrest.


https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...ths-recession/


https://townhall.com/columnists/brad...vid19-n2574754

[rach5]

Cnn article that discusses a recent Jama study on excess deaths, most of them due to covid.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/12/h...udy/index.html
Btw, Covid is the third leading cause of death. But yes, it's all hype to you. All those middle aged people in the prime of their lives with kids, or those just at the end of their working lives, with kids heading off to colleges and the prospect of a peaceful retirement, their deaths don't matter to you because they might have had high blood pressure, or been obese, or diabetic or just plain unlucky. And all those with long term and potentially permanent health issues (there are actually clinics now specifically to deal with the masses of people with longer term covid problems!). None of it matters to you. And there is no point in continuing to argue, because you won't change your mind until one of your loved ones dies or is in an ICU bed (Chris Christie changed his mind about covid!).
And yes - one of the big problems with covid is that it hurts people indirectly, be it via a delay of other health care, suicide, addiction, depression etc. All the more reason to get covid under control quickly with strong and painful measures and then keep it under control with smaller measures (like masks and social distancing, cancellation of large indoor events) and early interventions before cases rise back up too much. Until treatment or a vaccine. We haven't been able to do that in the US. Europe largely got it under control with very stringent lockdowns, opened up carelessly without precautions, leading to a normal life for 3-4 months, and is now back at looking at lockdowns.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by rach5

Cnn article that discusses a recent Jama study on excess deaths, most of them due to covid.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/10/12/h...udy/index.html
Btw, Covid is the third leading cause of death. But yes, it's all hype to you. All those middle aged people in the prime of their lives with kids, or those just at the end of their working lives, with kids heading off to colleges and the prospect of a peaceful retirement, their deaths don't matter to you because they might have had high blood pressure, or been obese, or diabetic or just plain unlucky. And all those with long term and potentially permanent health issues (there are actually clinics now specifically to deal with the masses of people with longer term covid problems!). None of it matters to you. And there is no point in continuing to argue, because you won't change your mind until one of your loved ones dies or is in an ICU bed (Chris Christie changed his mind about covid!).
And yes - one of the big problems with covid is that it hurts people indirectly, be it via a delay of other health care, suicide, addiction, depression etc. All the more reason to get covid under control quickly with strong and painful measures and then keep it under control with smaller measures (like masks and social distancing, cancellation of large indoor events) and early interventions before cases rise back up too much. Until treatment or a vaccine. We haven't been able to do that in the US. Europe largely got it under control with very stringent lockdowns, opened up carelessly without precautions, leading to a normal life for 3-4 months, and is now back at looking at lockdowns.

Other than your unfounded assertions about what you know other people think or believe about COVID, did you have a point? Otherwise, this amounts to intellectual vomit. Nobody here is arguing that COVID isn't a problem or that it doesn't have the ability to cause death in certain people.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

Other than your unfounded assertions about what you know other people think or believe about COVID, did you have a point? Otherwise, this amounts to intellectual vomit. Nobody here is arguing that COVID isn't a problem or that it doesn't have the ability to cause death in certain people.

It's the dismissive attitude of "just stay home if you are at high risk and/or so worried about it", that some find a bit reckless. God forbid everybody just behaved themselves and didn't feed this pandemic, while the most vulnerable suffer as a result.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by massnative71

It's the dismissive attitude of "just stay home if you are at high risk and/or so worried about it", that some find a bit reckless. God forbid everybody just behaved themselves and didn't feed this pandemic, while the most vulnerable suffer as a result.

Never said "just stay home if you are at high risk" and my attitude--which you cannot discern from a web board--is far from dismissive. This is what I said: "People who are that concerned about someone sneezing or coughing with a mask and from a reasonable distance, should stay home themselves." And that was following this earlier comment in response to someone saying they sometimes have a bad cough:

Originally Posted by redplum33

Then stay home.

My point was that if you are that concerned of encountering someone in a store who sneezes or coughs and who is following protocols, then you are the one who probably needs to stay home. Humans cough and humans sneeze and to expect anything else is unreasonable if they are following basic protocols. There are other categories of people who are suffering and some ultimately dying as well due to the response. Taking a risk-based approach makes the most sense. The vast majority of people don't have the luxury of staying home and they have been hit hard by lock downs and some could argue that ignoring all that is dismissive. So those who imply that everyone who has a cough or sneeze should just stay home so they don't make someone uncomfortable is disturbing, because you should be following your own protocols. There are people keeping the world running, so others can stay home. We should be focusing on protecting and isolating those at highest risk and the rest of us should be taking our own risk based measures, and stop trying to control that which is not controllable.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

If you're not at high risk, use basic guidance and common sense and move the hell on with your life.

Originally Posted by redplum33

Irresponsible advice.

Originally Posted by massnative71

It would be decent advice only if common sense was at all "common".

Here's bostongymjunkie's idea of "common sense":

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

I don't wear a mask outdoors and I do keep my distance. That seems to inspire those who would otherwise not distance, to keep their distance. That's good in my view.

https://www.city-data.com/forum/59261428-post78.html

[redplum33]

^ critical thinking skills