Boston area population lost 2020-2021 (Worcester, Springfield: rent, schools, living in)

[msRB311]

The people working in labs/research labs are often paid pretty poorly...by Boston standards anyways.

[yesmaybe]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Right. I've made this point many times on different thread. labs only pay a small number of people the super-high salaries needed to afford to live in Boston as a newcomer.

Roomates are the solution to that.

And they're wide and squat and thus can hurt the vibrancy of a streetscape compared to commercial or even office or residential space... It cant "save" Boston. Especially not if it's going to have to increasiingly compete with NYC Philly Raleigh Austin and others..

The big advantage Boston has is that it has a viable public transit system to the point where a car isn't needed. The stubbiness does hurt the feasibility of doing lab space in something like NYC.

[msRB311]

Right our transit system is just the bees knees. I’m sure people come here thinking oh great I can take the train having no idea how much of a hassle it can turn out to be.

[sawyer2]

Didn't read the whole thread but isn't this old/dated news, meaning that it reflects the exodus from Boston during the pandemic and not the bounce back?

All I read about is lack of rental inventory and higher than ever prices, and this is line with my own experience. I just rented two apartments for Sep. 1 for 25% more than current, and I have never seen such interest and number of applicants. All the landlords I know are saying the same thing.


https://bostonpads.com/blog/boston-r...market-report/

[msRB311]

Right it's weird isn't it? These two sides.

[BosYuppie]

Houses in the good towns are going for 200, 300 more than they did pre-pandemic. There is still plenty of demand.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by yesmaybe

Roomates are the solution to that.

The big advantage Boston has is that it has a viable public transit system to the point where a car isn't needed. The stubbiness does hurt the feasibility of doing lab space in something like NYC.

Sir...people arent going to comeback to roomates after living solo. That outrageous. Otherwise, they wouldn't have moved away in the first place.

Families leaving due to expense cant opt for roommates.

Its sort of a myth Rent is all about supply and demand. It's about location and amenities. And Demand doesn't have to be high for there to still be very low supply throughout the metro....And when corporations and foreign investors are snatching up properties left and right it distorts the market

And Idk from what I can tell homes are selling for more but every article and anecdotally everything ive read says rents in Boston are still where they were in 2018 almost 4 years ago now. Certainly, thats how it looks on trulia.

Bostons public transit leaves much to be deisred and NYC's is much better. They probably have space for labs in Brooklyn and Queens but also in NNJ.

Not saying Boston is turning to bedlam or dead but I wouldnt expect another decade like we just had.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Sir...people arent going to comeback to roomates after living solo. That outrageous. Otherwise, they wouldn't have moved away in the first place.

I did. Lived alone mostly after moving to Madison (after 1st year), had roommates back in Boston, moved to SF, roommates, then back in Boston and lived solo. Lots of people I know have gone back and forth. Some prefer roommates over alone.

Hardly far fetched. I didn't move away to live alone, I moved away for professional opportunities and grad school. People go where the best opportunities are then make it work.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Also keep in mind the majority of people accounting for Boston area population growth are not rooted here like timberline.

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

Net international migration (2020-2021) as percentage of 2020 population for the 40 largest MSAs in the nation:

"So usually Pittsburgh is last in a chart like this, and has been for many years. But, strange times... and Riverside, CA is negative?

Net international migration (2020-2021) as percentage of 2020 population for the 40 largest MSAs in the nation."







https://twitter.com/chrisbriem/statu...34502141923336


"Even if we did, somehow, boost immigration — it's not obvious that people would flock to the same urban centers (like LA) which have previously seen a lot of immigration.

Could be that new immigrants might also go directly for the booming sunbelt metros."

https://twitter.com/arpitrage/status...35702379810822

They’re not wed to this area.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by timberline742

I did. Lived alone mostly after moving to Madison (after 1st year), had roommates back in Boston, moved to SF, roommates, then back in Boston and lived solo. Lots of people I know have gone back and forth. Some prefer roommates over alone.

Hardly far fetched. I didn't move away to live alone, I moved away for professional opportunities and grad school. People go where the best opportunities are then make it work.

You have also admitted to living in places with no hot water, your standards are clearly not on par with most Americans.