Population slightly down in MA 2022 (Boston, Bridgewater: sale, homebuyer, median income)

[simplexsimon]

Originally Posted by msRB311

Cities are meant to have more socioeconomic diversity. Boston has very little if any these days. That is a problem.

There have always been well known suburbs of Boston that are known for being wealthy havens to flock to. Why do you think affordable housing belongs in those towns?

You don't think Boston has socioeconomic diversity? What is that based on?

Why do you think lack of socioeconomic diversity in one place is a problem but not in another place? In the examples given above, we're not talking about poor drug addicts and alcoholics, but people in regular jobs that happen to make less money.

[msRB311]

Originally Posted by simplexsimon

You don't think Boston has socioeconomic diversity? What is that based on?

Why do you think lack of socioeconomic diversity in one place is a problem but not in another place? In the examples given above, we're not talking about poor drug addicts and alcoholics, but people in regular jobs that happen to make less money.

People who make less money should live in a place they can afford then. It's a trickle down effect from Boston I'd say.

What issue is affordable housing really solving? It is creating other issues if anything - overpopulation, more traffic, crowding, ruining nature.

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by simplexsimon

You don't think Boston has socioeconomic diversity? What is that based on?

Why do you think lack of socioeconomic diversity in one place is a problem but not in another place? In the examples given above, we're not talking about poor drug addicts and alcoholics, but people in regular jobs that happen to make less money.

How many people making 60-80K per year do you expect to afford to live relatively independently in Boston? That's a relatively good salary and yet it would be very difficult to swing. Not interested in hearing about how they should shack up with a dozen other people. That's for kids (or adults with the mentality of kids), not adults wanting to live independently. Boston is home to those earning at least close to six figures, those shacking up with multiple others, and those on public benefits. Middle class adults need not apply. That's not socioeconomic diversity in my book.

[msRB311]

This looks like a great affordable house for someone:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3...58521320_zpid/

In a suburb.

The problem has become people want fancy affordable homes in the nicer suburbs. It's funny how entitled people have become.

[simplexsimon]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

How many people making 60-80K per year do you expect to afford to live relatively independently in Boston? That's a relatively good salary and yet it would be very difficult to swing. Not interested in hearing about how they should shack up with a dozen other people. That's for kids (or adults with the mentality of kids), not adults wanting to live independently. Boston is home to those earning at least close to six figures, those shacking up with multiple others, and those on public benefits. Middle class adults need not apply. That's not socioeconomic diversity in my book.

I agree that the cost of living is a problem but disagree its not diverse.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by msRB311

People who make less money should live in a place they can afford then. It's a trickle down effect from Boston I'd say.

What issue is affordable housing really solving? It is creating other issues if anything - overpopulation, more traffic, crowding, ruining nature.

It seems like you want things both ways. You complain about how much housing costs, yet you are opposed to ANY new construction whatsoever. We ended up in this situation we are in, due to attitudes like yours.



And please don't say "oh well Boston can build more", because they have. That city is only a small sliver of the areas land mass, and can't continue to solve this mess all on its own.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by bostongymjunkie

How many people making 60-80K per year do you expect to afford to live relatively independently in Boston? That's a relatively good salary and yet it would be very difficult to swing. Not interested in hearing about how they should shack up with a dozen other people. That's for kids (or adults with the mentality of kids), not adults wanting to live independently. Boston is home to those earning at least close to six figures, those shacking up with multiple others, and those on public benefits. Middle class adults need not apply. That's not socioeconomic diversity in my book.

Many people in Boston live in alone owned by their families over generations, or live independently in the 20% of housing that is income-restricted but not public housing or section 8. Then you have many Bostonians living at market rate. as couples. Two 60k incomes is 120k and enough to live in Boston in a market rate 1 or 2 bedroom.

Many folks bought condos for 200-350k from 2010-2016 too.

Socioeconomic diveristy but you’re not focusing on the socio. Which includes racial, linguistic, religious, and ethnic diversity- which Boston is chock full of. As well as occupational diversity given how diverse the economy is in Boston.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by msRB311

This looks like a great affordable house for someone:

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3...58521320_zpid/

In a suburb.

The problem has become people want fancy affordable homes in the nicer suburbs. It's funny how entitled people have become.

Kingston is extremely far from Boston but the irony here is someone will buy and live in that home. Just because it’s for sale doesn’t mean no one wants it.

[massnative71]

Originally Posted by yesmaybe

The problem is that the people who might consider buying a 700k condo don't want to live in Bridgewater. They want to live in Boston. The people who might want to live there and can afford 700k want an SFH.

But a $400K condo in Bridgewater will sell overnight. Build enough of them, eventually they will come down in price (especially if "nobody wants them at $700K").

[bostongymjunkie]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Many people in Boston live in alone owned by their families over generations, or live independently in the 20% of housing that is income-restricted but not public housing or section 8. Then you have many Bostonians living at market rate. as couples. Two 60k incomes is 120k and enough to live in Boston in a market rate 1 or 2 bedroom.

Many folks bought condos for 200-350k from 2010-2016 too.

Socioeconomic diveristy but you’re not focusing on the socio. Which includes racial, linguistic, religious, and ethnic diversity- which Boston is chock full of. As well as occupational diversity given how diverse the economy is in Boston.

Income-restricted = public benefit. I was referring to single households, hence "living independently." Living with someone else is not living independently. Obviously there are some, such as those you refer to who bought condos, but not enough to establish socioeconomic diversity in my view. Boston may display certain socio diversity but whether it coincides with economic diversity is another question.