Warning 15 minute cities and Right said Fred

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

The problem is not everything 15 minutes away it's the restriction of movement without a permit. First it will be 100 trips allowed outside of zone than 50 than zero. COVID lockdowns were not a conspiracy they happened and where a human rights violation and unconstitutional to businesses. The residents of uk are not for this it's not about tolls but restricting travel. If your elderly mother lives in a different zone sorry you don't get to see her. There is a website where to s of locals there are very upset I'll have to find it it might be ukmail or something

This is all 100% conspiracy craziness. Please, do your homework before ranting nonsense. Here's the city council's website on the zone. There's nothing at all about limited trips outside the zone - you or some other conspiracy nut made that up. If someone's elderly mother lives in the zone, they can visit her as much as they want to, just like they can today. The elderly mother can also leave whenever she wants to via car (she would be exempt from the toll) or any other means of transit she wants. People are naturally pissed that they have to pay money because that's a pretty standard response. But it's no neo-feudalism. Give us a break.

[scorpio516]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

They do have the Audubon.

no they don't. The Audubon is distinctly American. It's headquartered in Manhattan and it's namesake was an illegal French immigrant.

(John Audubon was born in Haiti pre-independence and was smuggled into the US at 18 on a fake passport in 1803 to dodge the draft into Napolean's army)

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by lrfox

This is all 100% conspiracy craziness. Please, do your homework before ranting nonsense. Here's the city council's website on the zone. There's nothing at all about limited trips outside the zone - you or some other conspiracy nut made that up. If someone's elderly mother lives in the zone, they can visit her as much as they want to, just like they can today. The elderly mother can also leave whenever she wants to via car (she would be exempt from the toll) or any other means of transit she wants. People are naturally pissed that they have to pay money because that's a pretty standard response. But it's no neo-feudalism. Give us a break.

The link you gave is not the policy this explains it . "People can drive freely around their own neighbourhood and can apply for a permit to drive through the filters, and into other neighbourhoods, for up to 100 days per year. This equates to an average of two days per week." This is the actual policy.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23...eighbourhoods/

If you watched my first video the residents were not complaining about a toll at all. They were complaining they needed to get a limited permit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypqPNHLl2U&t=547s

[lrfox]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

The link you gave is not the policy this explains it . "People can drive freely around their own neighbourhood and can apply for a permit to drive through the filters, and into other neighbourhoods, for up to 100 days per year. This equates to an average of two days per week." This is the actual policy.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23...eighbourhoods/

If you watched my first video the residents were not complaining about a toll at all. They were complaining they needed to get a limited permit.

This has nothing to do with 15 minute cities which is what you started this thread about. You're talking about a pilot program designed to test congestion and emissions reduction technology; 15 minute cities is an entirely different thing. This pilot is also not at all what you're claiming it to be. No surprise, your wacky conspiracy is rooted in a ton of misinformation that's been put out there (including some leading to death threats against city councilors). But thankfully, it's been fact checked and is pretty clear how it works (source):

• “Everywhere in the city will still be accessible by car, although some private car drivers may need to use a different route during the operating hours of the traffic filters,” the spokesperson said.
• “Everyone, wherever they live, will still be able to drive to and from any destination in Oxford, or anywhere else, anytime they like, as often as they like.”
• “None of the traffic filters will ‘trap’ residents. As you can see from this zoomable map (here), traffic filters are points on a road, not a ‘zone’. So, residents living on roads near the filters will be able to enter and leave through other roads at any time, without using a permit. Everyone can enter and leave their street in at least one direction without going through a filter.”

I hardly blame anyone who is frustrated that their drive is going become more complicated. And we'll see how big an impact on traffic the pilot actually has. But what's 100% certain is that it's not "neo-feudalism" which is a conspiracy theory based on widely distributed misinformation. Nobody is being confined to their neighborhood, please stop spreading misinformation.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by scorpio516

no they don't. The Audubon is distinctly American. It's headquartered in Manhattan and it's namesake was an illegal French immigrant.

(John Audubon was born in Haiti pre-independence and was smuggled into the US at 18 on a fake passport in 1803 to dodge the draft into Napolean's army)

I meant this sorry bad spelling..

https://youtu.be/hiPnTleKHH0

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by lrfox

This has nothing to do with 15 minute cities which is what you started this thread about. You're talking about a pilot program designed to test congestion and emissions reduction technology; 15 minute cities is an entirely different thing. This pilot is also not at all what you're claiming it to be. No surprise, your wacky conspiracy is rooted in a ton of misinformation that's been put out there (including some leading to death threats against city councilors). But thankfully, it's been fact checked and is pretty clear how it works (source):

• “Everywhere in the city will still be accessible by car, although some private car drivers may need to use a different route during the operating hours of the traffic filters,” the spokesperson said.
• “Everyone, wherever they live, will still be able to drive to and from any destination in Oxford, or anywhere else, anytime they like, as often as they like.”
• “None of the traffic filters will ‘trap’ residents. As you can see from this zoomable map (here), traffic filters are points on a road, not a ‘zone’. So, residents living on roads near the filters will be able to enter and leave through other roads at any time, without using a permit. Everyone can enter and leave their street in at least one direction without going through a filter.”

I hardly blame anyone who is frustrated that their drive is going become more complicated. And we'll see how big an impact on traffic the pilot actually has. But what's 100% certain is that it's not "neo-feudalism" which is a conspiracy theory based on widely distributed misinformation. Nobody is being confined to their neighborhood, please stop spreading misinformation.

https://www.visionnews.online/post/o...-lies-revealed

first of all those filters are gates electronic gates that will video camera all cars and if they do not have permission to leave the zone they will get fined.

the link I gave debunks what you said and yes this is about 15 minute cities and not traffic congestion the council is lying and being deceptive.

here is the statements and here is what has been debunked...

Will Oxford residents be confined to their local area?

No.

The misinformation online has linked the traffic filters to the 15-minute neighbourhoods proposal in the City Council’s Local Plan 2040, suggesting that the traffic filters will be used to confine people to their local area. This is not true. The 15-minute neighbourhoods proposal aims to ensure that every resident has all the essentials (shops, healthcare, parks) within a 15-minute walk of their home. They aim to support and add services, not restrict them.


Debunked

Oh dear, they clearly haven't done their homework: Duncan Enright, Oxfordshire County Council's cabinet member for travel and development strategy, stated to the Sunday Times as recently as last month: the filters would turn Oxford into "a 15-minute city" with local services within a small walking radius. Mr Enright said: "It is about making sure you have the community centre which has all of those essential needs, the bottle of milk, pharmacy, GP, schools which you need to have a 15-minute neighbourhood."


Will Oxfordshire residents need permission from the councils to travel across the city?

No.

Everyone can go through all the filters at any time by bus, bike, taxi, scooter or walking. Furthermore, residents will still be able to drive to every part of the city at any time – but in the future, during certain times of the day, you may need to take a different route (e.g. using the ring road) if you want to travel by car. There will also be exemptions to the fines for carers, blue badge holders, businesses, and emergency services. Oxford residents (and residents of some surrounding villages) will be able to apply for a permit to drive through the filters on up to 100 days a year. Residents living in the rest of Oxfordshire will be able to apply for a permit to drive through the filter on up to 25 days a year.


Debunked

Now we are delving into Orwellian doublespeak. In the scheme, every oxford resident who owns and drives a car will require a permit to cross into a neighboring zone. The permits will allow the driver to do this a maximum of one hundred times per year. and each one of those trips will be recorded by ANPR cameras on each one of the 'filters'. the word 'permit' denotes that permission is needed.

this is crazy and many are comparing it to the hunger games. yes you can leave your zone any time you want only if you do not drive you have to walk or bicycle. we all know what government wants for us is not for our own good those 100 trips permitted will dwindle to zero. i have no doubt there is a good chance they will use a social credit score also to police who gets to leave and who stays in the future. china already does this now.