Warning 15 minute cities and Right said Fred (Boston, Cambridge: low income, condo)

[justyouraveragetenant]

This will probably be news to most on this Massachusetts forum because most do not follow the evils that are going on around the world. In England they are trying to implement 15-minute cities. what are 15-minute cities?

15-minute cities are broken into zones that restrict travel among citizens in the name of "climate change". they let you take a certain number of trips but eventually, you will be prohibited from leaving your zone because of pollution and man-made climate change. they will try to implement this all over the world just like the covid policies and lockdowns they implemented during covid. Massachusetts would be crazy to vote for this.

this video shows citizens of England who are intelligent and appreciate freedom voice their concerns . In the video a protester is speaking right said Fred remember "I am too sexy for my shirt"? yes, those two guys.

It's absolute nonsense 15-minute cities. the citizens explain some of the horrors that will come out of it. the government and the globalists want everything accessible within a 15-minute travel distance to keep you locked in for good. I want to educate Massachusetts on this because most in mass don't pay attention to this stuff.

if you think this won't happen in the united states just wait I told you so. it's all about control.

they want to create a neo-feudalism if you will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypqPNHLl2U&t=547s

[matrix5k]

What about electric vehicles? What about emergencies? Everyone is already in a rush. Imagine being late to work due to the 15min rule.

[GeoffD]

This post totally misses the boat. The eastern part of London around London City Airport is very blighted. It’s largely low income people in public housing called “council housing” where most don’t own cars. Like many poor urban areas, it’s a food desert. The 15 or 20 minute thing is restoring businesses and public places so everything is within a 15 or 20 minute walk. In this forum, everybody and his brother is looking for that magic place with the high walk score with bicycle routes, parks, and indoor public areas. This is a London attempt at creating this. The car part is a red herring because most people in London don’t own cars. London is an enormous city with a traffic jam problem so they long ago adopted tolls with congestion pricing to get commuters out of their cars and into mass transit. If you drive outside your transportation zone instead of using mass transit at rush hour, you pay a fairly high toll. New York City is going down this path with congestion tolling to get the bridge/tunnel rats out of their cars and onto mass transit.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

This post totally misses the boat. The eastern part of London around London City Airport is very blighted. It’s largely low income people in public housing called “council housing” where most don’t own cars. Like many poor urban areas, it’s a food desert. The 15 or 20 minute thing is restoring businesses and public places so everything is within a 15 or 20 minute walk. In this forum, everybody and his brother is looking for that magic place with the high walk score with bicycle routes, parks, and indoor public areas. This is a London attempt at creating this. The car part is a red herring because most people in London don’t own cars. London is an enormous city with a traffic jam problem so they long ago adopted tolls with congestion pricing to get commuters out of their cars and into mass transit. If you drive outside your transportation zone instead of using mass transit at rush hour, you pay a fairly high toll. New York City is going down this path with congestion tolling to get the bridge/tunnel rats out of their cars and onto mass transit.

this is being done in Oxford not London. What if you work more than 15 minutes away ? Well you might have to walk an hour. Locals are saying it will make going to the city centre very difficult. If you want to leave your zone you will need to get a permit that will limit travel outside your zone to 100 trips. They can refuse your permit. Eventually if you follow the progression you will not be able to leave your zone. That is why everything needs to be 15 minutes away. The residents there are not happy about this. in London you pay a toll this plan will restrict you period. They are concerned it will hurt businesses. Some travel further for groceries because it's cheaper this would prevent that .

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by matrix5k

What about electric vehicles? What about emergencies? Everyone is already in a rush. Imagine being late to work due to the 15min rule.

They want to force electric cars on everyone by a certain year in the United States I know. In a cold climate like mass it's not a good idea. People in buffalo new York froze in their cars during a blizzard and how many had electric cars. You have to keep charging your car where gasoline is proven to be the best fuel source. It's not about the climate it's about controlling people's movement like they do in China. All hospitals would be 15 minutes away

[lrfox]

Looks like our resident conspiracy theorist has moved on from COVID conspiracies to the next great threat to our freedoms - convenience.

15 minute (and 30 minute) cities have been tossed out as the ideal urban neighborhood structure for some time, but the label itself is fairly new. There's a ton of (non-conspiracy) information about them if you do a quick google search for "15 minute city." In short, the idea is to improve the ability for residents to work, shop, play, and recreate all within 15 minutes of their home without needing to drive. It's really not a novel concept - almost everyone looking to live in an urban area is seeking as much even if they don't apply the "15 minute city" label to it. You see it in posts here on CD all the time - "I want to be able to walk to the store, restaurants, and a T station." The problem here in MA is that it's sort of a unicorn unless you have millions to drop on a condo or townhome in a handful of central Boston neighborhoods or smaller, desirable cities (Salem, Somerville, Cambridge, Newburyport, Northampton, etc.).

At the risk of scaring the pants off of the conspiracy inclined, the effort to build 15 minute cities here in MA is already happening organically, even if they're not being called "15-minute cities." Mixed-use urban developments like Assembly Row, Cambridge Crossing, Arsenal Yards, Boston Landing, etc. check all of the boxes - dense, walkable, mix of uses (retail, dining, entertainment, office, lab, residential, etc.), green space, bike/micro-mobility friendly, and transit oriented. Prior to the automobile, every city and town was built this way. It's a return to normal more than it's some crazy new concept.

The big difference with the Oxford example seems to be the toll for non-EVs in the city center. Congestion or selective tolling has been going on for a while all over the world. Some towns in Europe, Asia, and beyond outright ban cars completely. Most of these places are very old and were built long before cars existed and pedestrians and cyclists were often fighting cars for limited space on tight city streets. Oxford's no exception. I can see some justifiable anger as ICE vehicle owners are obviously going to be disproportionately impacted. But between the very good national rail connections (literally arrivals and departures every couple of minutes) to Oxford's center and the good local public transit, nobody's going to be stuck in, or locked out of Oxford. That's just nutty nonsense. If you live outside of the zone, you can easily park near a transit stop/station and take a bus or train into town if you don't want to bike or walk. If you've ever visited Oxford from outside of the city, chances are that's what you did. Nobody likes new tolls, and you can argue that some are be unfairly charged in this instance. But calling this the first stop towards "neo-feudalism" is crazy pants talk.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by justyouraveragetenant

All hospitals would be 15 minutes away

Excellent. A lot of lives would be saved with this.

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by lrfox

Looks like our resident conspiracy theorist has moved on from COVID conspiracies to the next great threat to our freedoms - convenience.

15 minute (and 30 minute) cities have been tossed out as the ideal urban neighborhood structure for some time, but the label itself is fairly new. There's a ton of (non-conspiracy) information about them if you do a quick google search for "15 minute city." In short, the idea is to improve the ability for residents to work, shop, play, and recreate all within 15 minutes of their home without needing to drive. It's really not a novel concept - almost everyone looking to live in an urban area is seeking as much even if they don't apply the "15 minute city" label to it. You see it in posts here on CD all the time - "I want to be able to walk to the store, restaurants, and a T station." The problem here in MA is that it's sort of a unicorn unless you have millions to drop on a condo or townhome in a handful of central Boston neighborhoods or smaller, desirable cities (Salem, Somerville, Cambridge, Newburyport, Northampton, etc.).

At the risk of scaring the pants off of the conspiracy inclined, the effort to build 15 minute cities here in MA is already happening organically, even if they're not being called "15-minute cities." Mixed-use urban developments like Assembly Row, Cambridge Crossing, Arsenal Yards, Boston Landing, etc. check all of the boxes - dense, walkable, mix of uses (retail, dining, entertainment, office, lab, residential, etc.), green space, bike/micro-mobility friendly, and transit oriented. Prior to the automobile, every city and town was built this way. It's a return to normal more than it's some crazy new concept.

The big difference with the Oxford example seems to be the toll for non-EVs in the city center. Congestion or selective tolling has been going on for a while all over the world. Some towns in Europe, Asia, and beyond outright ban cars completely. Most of these places are very old and were built long before cars existed and pedestrians and cyclists were often fighting cars for limited space on tight city streets. Oxford's no exception. I can see some justifiable anger as ICE vehicle owners are obviously going to be disproportionately impacted. But between the very good national rail connections (literally arrivals and departures every couple of minutes) to Oxford's center and the good local public transit, nobody's going to be stuck in, or locked out of Oxford. That's just nutty nonsense. If you live outside of the zone, you can easily park near a transit stop/station and take a bus or train into town if you don't want to bike or walk. If you've ever visited Oxford from outside of the city, chances are that's what you did. Nobody likes new tolls, and you can argue that some are be unfairly charged in this instance. But calling this the first stop towards "neo-feudalism" is crazy pants talk.

The problem is not everything 15 minutes away it's the restriction of movement without a permit. First it will be 100 trips allowed outside of zone than 50 than zero. COVID lockdowns were not a conspiracy they happened and where a human rights violation and unconstitutional to businesses. The residents of uk are not for this it's not about tolls but restricting travel. If your elderly mother lives in a different zone sorry you don't get to see her. There is a website where to s of locals there are very upset I'll have to find it it might be ukmail or something

[justyouraveragetenant]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Excellent. A lot of lives would be saved with this.

If all the hospitals are not 15 minutes away I assume a ambulance would not be restricted travel like the residents

[justyouraveragetenant]

I was reading a comment about uk public transit being expensive. A German said that even the idea of restricting cars would get you linched in Germany . They do have the Audubon. Obviously some people are worried. https://www.johnlocke.org/oxford-res...t%20permission.