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Old 08-13-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Official: Mexicans move north to flee from crime | north, crime, official - Now - TheMonitor.com (http://www.themonitor.com/articles/north-41360-crime-official.html - broken link)
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Old 08-14-2010, 09:20 AM
 
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But in reality, states in Mexico south of the border states have lower homicide rates than much of the USA. So it's just an excuse - it's the easy money they're really after - and it's far easier to abandon one's country than to stick around and work for whatever reforms are needed.
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, Mexico
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North of what?

North refering to the USA?

Anybody wants to move these days through northern border states of Mexico.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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But in reality, states in Mexico south of the border states have lower homicide rates than much of the USA. So it's just an excuse - it's the easy money they're really after - and it's far easier to abandon one's country than to stick around and work for whatever reforms are needed.

Most Dangerous Cities by Murder

1. Ciudad Juarez - 133 per 100,000
2. Nuevo Laredo - 95 per 100,000
3. Tijuana - 38.8 per 100,000
4. Mexico City - 8.1 per 100,000





Murders (per capita)


# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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Most Dangerous Cities by Murder

1. Ciudad Juarez - 133 per 100,000
2. Nuevo Laredo - 95 per 100,000
3. Tijuana - 38.8 per 100,000
4. Mexico City - 8.1 per 100,000





Murders (per capita)


#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
Los Angeles: 10.0 per 100,000
Chicago: 18.0 per 100,000
Houston: 13.1 per 100,000
Philadelphia: 23.0 per 100,000
Detroit: 37.4 per 100,000
Oakland: 28.6 per 100,000
St Louis: 46.9 per 100,000
New Orleans: 63.6 per 100,000

Yucatan region: 2 per 100,000

And where are the murder rates of Guadalajara or Guanajuato? Puebla? You can bet they're quite low.

If someone was really relocating from a border city to escape high homicide rates, they would head down to the Yucatan - not to Chicago or Los Angeles.
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Old 08-14-2010, 12:42 PM
 
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And the sad fact of all this is - it's the illegals themselves who attempt to smear their home country the most - trying to justify why they left it. Many Americans have never been to Mexico but they get this image of a country where there is no middle class, no jobs at all, no schools, no books, no hospitals, people starving and dying on the streets, a complete hell hole that anyone would want to escape.

It's not that at all. There are problems of course, but leaving doesn't accomplish anything - but leaving and then trying to claim their country is hideous and horrendous is pathetic. Yet - we hear it over and over and over. Any talk of someone going back and they start crying that they'll starve to death, their children will die, that they won't be able to go to school if they go home. That's just lies.
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Old 08-14-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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Los Angeles: 10.0 per 100,000
Chicago: 18.0 per 100,000
Houston: 13.1 per 100,000
Philadelphia: 23.0 per 100,000
Detroit: 37.4 per 100,000
Oakland: 28.6 per 100,000
St Louis: 46.9 per 100,000
New Orleans: 63.6 per 100,000

Yucatan region: 2 per 100,000

And where are the murder rates of Guadalajara or Guanajuato? Puebla? You can bet they're quite low.

If someone was really relocating from a border city to escape high homicide rates, they would head down to the Yucatan - not to Chicago or Los Angeles.
Except for job transfers, people seldom move off to another city they have never been to for one single reason. Someone living in Nvo Laredo might get fed up with the violence and insecurity and decide on Houston over Mexico City. For one, they may wish to remain closer to family and friends left behind. If they are legal and can cross the border then Houston is a safe and easy six hour drive away while D.F. is a harder and riskier 12 hour drive away. For another, the job prospects may be much better for them in Houston than D.F. and they may also be tired of the corrupt police and govt officials in Mexico. So even though it may be violence that tips their decision and D.F. has a lower homicide rate, Houston still represents a dramatic improvement in the risk of violence while offering a better total package to them.
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Old 08-14-2010, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And the sad fact of all this is - it's the illegals themselves who attempt to smear their home country the most - trying to justify why they left it. Many Americans have never been to Mexico but they get this image of a country where there is no middle class, no jobs at all, no schools, no books, no hospitals, people starving and dying on the streets, a complete hell hole that anyone would want to escape.

It's not that at all. There are problems of course, but leaving doesn't accomplish anything - but leaving and then trying to claim their country is hideous and horrendous is pathetic. Yet - we hear it over and over and over. Any talk of someone going back and they start crying that they'll starve to death, their children will die, that they won't be able to go to school if they go home. That's just lies.

I have lived in Mexico for many many years in various locations. I have never had a problem with crime of any kind.
Now is a little different in border towns and large cities.
There are still many small towns I would go to in a minute without any fear or problems, just like everywhere else. But don't make it sound like crime, and other problems don't exist in Mexico, they do as they do everywhere else.
My wife is from Monterrey and gets her info first hand from friends and relatives and the Monterrey newspapers, and crime is a real problem.
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Old 08-14-2010, 11:36 PM
 
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I know of three different families who have moved to Texas, two from Torreon and one from Durango, cities which until recently were thought to be tranquil and prosperous. The violence causes more than just fear, it is seriously hurting the economies of many Northern cities. Nightclubs left and right have closed up because no one goes out. Restaurants are closed by 7pm because they don't want to be the scene of gang shootouts. Hotels are at 20-30% occupancy because businesses won't send people to places thought to be dangerous. Taxis consider half the city off limits after it gets dark so people can't go out and the taxi drivers can't survive on the reduced income. All this cascades down to things like auto shops and dentists seeing business drop off by 50% as people put off getting work done because the economy is hurting them. I know two school teachers who were laid off recently as parents are reacting to the economy and frequent school closings by sending their kids to cheaper schools or pulling them out altogether.

These are very real problems and a lot of people don't seem to realize how bad they are unless they are living through them first hand. Call them economic opportunists if you want, but in reality what choice do they have? Even well off parents are deciding its not exactly where they want to raise their kids when schools are closed down every two weeks due to incoming threats from one gang or another. Sure they could move South, but get real about that. A family from Torreon or Monterrey would feel much more at home in many parts of Texas or New Mexico than they would in southern Mexico.
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Old 08-15-2010, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Mexico City, Mexico
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Believe it or not. Those things arent happening at Mexico City which is considered one of the most dangerous for "americans".
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