Duluth or Milwaukee

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by adr3naline

I like how you tried to leverage WI's startup troubles to push your anti-Walker agenda. Maybe next you can talk about how WI's business survival rate is amount the highest in the nation?

Not sure where you get those stats, but lets assume its true (I hope youre not referring to SBA data which shows Wisconsin in the top quarter largely due to single proprietorships) . That's not really a good thing. It means risks aren't being taken. Businesses aren't starting up and pushing the envelope and creating jobs. It's a negative. An area with lots of failures is going to have lots of creating to, and this cycle spurs innovation and IP development and a professional ladder for people to grow in. The best economies have lots of both openings and closing, a stagnant economy, few openings and closings.

And I don't need to push Anti Walker anything, he does that quite well on his own as emphasized by the sliding QOL and brain drain in Wisconsin.

[MN_Ski]

I bailed Milwaukee because there were no jobs, and the ones that were there paid low. Walker IS limiting growth and the state is becoming very unwelcoming to new business. There is no attempt of innovation, and the state doesn't seem to care at all about catering to the Millennials (which believe it or not drive the economy).

In Denver, I had 6 potential interviews with great pay within 1 week. No wonder all the well educated people are fleeing.

[slamont61]

Milwaukee might be healthier if companies like Fiserv didn't outsource work to India. In fact for that company, which had plenty of resources there in WI, now the bulk of their talent is down in Georgia. Not sure why that piece occurred but the India part was pure cash for them.


Duluth is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there.

[adr3naline]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Not sure where you get those stats, but lets assume its true (I hope youre not referring to SBA data which shows Wisconsin in the top quarter largely due to single proprietorships) . That's not really a good thing. It means risks aren't being taken. Businesses aren't starting up and pushing the envelope and creating jobs. It's a negative. An area with lots of failures is going to have lots of creating to, and this cycle spurs innovation and IP development and a professional ladder for people to grow in. The best economies have lots of both openings and closing, a stagnant economy, few openings and closings.

And I don't need to push Anti Walker anything, he does that quite well on his own as emphasized by the sliding QOL and brain drain in Wisconsin.

Fascinating -- posters such as yourself can make wild unsupported assertions and cry wolf at opposing information, but if the opposing side states a claim based on measurable fact, they must provide back-up. (Here it is btw)

Before you reference the liberal handbook again, just think about that. Just for a second.

Originally Posted by MN_Ski

I bailed Milwaukee because there were no jobs, and the ones that were there paid low. Walker IS limiting growth and the state is becoming very unwelcoming to new business. There is no attempt of innovation, and the state doesn't seem to care at all about catering to the Millennials (which believe it or not drive the economy).

In Denver, I had 6 potential interviews with great pay within 1 week. No wonder all the well educated people are fleeing.

So you're proposing that WI's government administration should interfere with private enterprise because another metro with 2x+ population had more jobs. Do you not see the fault in that logic?

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by adr3naline

Fascinating -- posters such as yourself can make wild unsupported assertions and cry wolf at opposing information, but if the opposing side states a claim based on measurable fact, they must provide back-up. (Here it is btw)

Before you reference the liberal handbook again, just think about that. Just for a second.

Ah, you're citing research from the Wisconsin Development Corp which is a shill for Walker


GTFO of town. That's just pathetic. Beyond pathetic. It's disgustingly disingenuous.
Liberal handbook? Is that a working noggin? Seems like the conservative handbook is not having a brain.




Wisconsin, last, again
For third straight year, Wisconsin ranks last in business startup activity


Start ups failing bad for the economy
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/us-st...jana-de-kerros


Brain drain and the jobs that are being created are crappy
https://badgerherald.com/opinion/201...ter-education/


The research cited is embedded, but you'd actually have to read.


UW Madison drops out of top research universities for first time in over 50 years.
UW-Madison falls from nation's top five research universities


Minnesota beats Wisconsin economy #1
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...onomies/21697/


Minnesota destroys Wisconsin economy #2
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...nkings/economy


Minnesota crushes Wisconsin economy #3
The States With the Best and Worst Economies - 24/7 Wall St.


I could go on all day. Thanks Walker.

[adr3naline]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Ah, you're citing research from the Wisconsin Development Corp which is a shill for Walker


GTFO of town. That's just pathetic. Beyond pathetic. It's disgustingly disingenuous.
Liberal handbook? Is that a working noggin? Seems like the conservative handbook is not having a brain.

I commend you for your efforts, but no.

"Wisconsin ranked 7th among the 50 states for companies with a six-year survival rate and also among the top 10 for the business 10-year survival rate, according to 2013 figures from the U.S. Commerce Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics."

You sound like a disgruntled 15 year old, so I'll refrain from upsetting you further.

[scott53051]

Originally Posted by pete6032

Milwaukee. Traveling anywhere from Duluth is a pain in the butt and will be much more expensive. Living in Milwaukee you have a respectable airport on hand and are only a stone's throw away from O'Hare and Midway, two inexpensive airports that will take you anywhere you'd ever want to go.

I agree. Milwaukee's Mitchell Airport has lots of flights and inside parking for $14 bucks a day. No messing around with shuttle buses and remote lots. Just park (inside) and walk into the terminal.

Also, southeast Wisconsin has some world class attractions that are far better than what you'll find in Minnesota.

[Milwaukee City]

Originally Posted by scott53051

Also, southeast Wisconsin has some world class attractions that are far better than what you'll find in Minnesota.

Uh-ho, just wait until a Minnesotan hears about this. To them Minnesota is the greatest thing since canned beer.

[slamont61]

Bell done tolled.


Except I have ground to stand on after living 11 years in the Milwaukee area. Comparing Minnesota to Wisconsin has little bearing on the original topic. Duluth has nothing on Milwaukee.


As for the world class attractions that are being referenced, what are they that MSP is lacking? Chicago??

[Vegabern]

Originally Posted by timberline742

Unemployment rates are not the way to judge an economy.

And sure, Walker gets votes, but the educated flee Wisconsin because of the crummy economy so those that remain behind... are the less educated that would vote for that bozo. I tend not to befriend the uneducated and the ignorant.

You can't seriously pretend that Wisconsin's economy is better than Minnesota's. That's just nuts.

But, go ahead and keep gutting the education system. The economy will never recover.

This is my issue with Walker. Well, one of them. His complete disdain for the environment is another.


Yes, I've been to both Milwaukee and Duluth. And Green Bay since it was mentioned (which I don't care for). This isn't a case of pick a city and move, our choices are Duluth or Milwaukee. Hence the initial question.

For the record, and since I haven't been on C-D in a little while, we've eliminated Duluth.

I was able to spend the weekend in downtown Milwaukee during Bastille Days. I had a great time checking out the area and am now confident in our decision. Now we're settling down for the waiting game. If this move happens it probably won't come before winter.