Cop shoots and kills lady in South Minneapolis (Stillwater, Virginia: moving, authority)

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

I would like to know more about Stephon Clark at this point.

It happened in California and there’s a thread devoted to it in the P&C forum. It has nothing to do with Minnesota. //www.city-data.com/forum/polit...hot-black.html

[jbgusa]

Filing: Noor raised red flags with trainers, psychiatrists

[PullMyFinger]

Guilty of 2nd degree manslaughter and 3rd degree murder.

Liberal policies cost a woman her life and ruined this mans life.

Good job idiots.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

Guilty of 2nd degree manslaughter and 3rd degree murder.

Liberal policies cost a woman her life and ruined this mans life.

Good job idiots.

You beat my to it. Hopefully the Judge doesn't reject the verdict or he isn't freed on appeal. Both are likely in the People's Republic of Minneapolis.

[beenhereandthere]

Ok, this officer gets a murder charge but another officer in the same State who did something just as asinine, gets off free. Wonder what the difference is?
Yes, the officer who got off was a POC himself, but had lighter skin and didn't have a Muslim Name and he didn't shoot a White Woman.
BS.
Both should have got manslaughter.

[chessgeek]

From everything I've read and heard about the incident (both quite awhile ago and recently), I think the jury reached the correct verdict and should be complimented on a job well done!

[2x3x29x41]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

You beat my to it. Hopefully the Judge doesn't reject the verdict or he isn't freed on appeal. Both are likely in the People's Republic of Minneapolis.

Actually, neither is likely.

And that will be demonstrated when the judge does not reject the verdict and when the case is not overturned. We'll see if you turn up with a mea culpa when those two things fail to happen.

You're an attorney, right? Then your "People's Republic of Minneapolis" is particularly ridiculous. Are you really so bereft of a clue that you think this is some sort of city trial? The state of Minnesota - not the city of Minneapolis - tried Mohamed Noor. The judge in the case is a state judge, appointed by a governor (Jesse Ventura - whom you idiotically insinuate is/was a communist), not the mayor of Minneapolis.

Beyond that, we can cut right to the efficacy of Minnesota's criminal justice system as it relates to violent crime. The results? Minnesota - remember, this is a state trial, not a city trial (despite your confused suggestion of such) - ranks 41st out of the 50 states regarding its violent crime rate. That's in the top 20%. Furthermore, violent crime tends to follow urban areas, and Minnesota has a larger urban area (the Twin Cities) of any of the nine states ranking below it. Simply put, Minnesota is doing very well when it comes to criminal justice as it relates to violent crime.

Here's the data for the most recent available year (2018):
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-5

Note:
For clarity's sake, I happen to think this verdict was spot on.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by 2x3x29x41

Actually, neither is likely.

And that will be demonstrated when the judge does not reject the verdict and when the case is not overturned. We'll see if you turn up with a mea culpa when those two things fail to happen.

You're an attorney, right? Then your "People's Republic of Minneapolis" is particularly ridiculous. Are you really so bereft of a clue that you think this is some sort of city trial? The state of Minnesota - not the city of Minneapolis - tried Mohamed Noor. The judge in the case is a state judge, appointed by a governor (Jesse Ventura - whom you idiotically insinuate is/was a communist), not the mayor of Minneapolis.

Beyond that, we can cut right to the efficacy of Minnesota's criminal justice system as it relates to violent crime. The results? Minnesota - remember, this is a state trial, not a city trial (despite your confused suggestion of such) - ranks 41st out of the 50 states regarding its violent crime rate. That's in the top 20%. Furthermore, violent crime tends to follow urban areas, and Minnesota has a larger urban area (the Twin Cities) of any of the nine states ranking below it. Simply put, Minnesota is doing very well when it comes to criminal justice as it relates to violent crime.

Here's the data for the most recent available year (2018):
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-5

Note:
For clarity's sake, I happen to think this verdict was spot on.

In New York and in most states, felony trials are state matters. Juries are local and judges, while elected (in New York) in state elections and other places appointed, are drawn from among local politicos. In New York the system is soft on crime, particularly where the criminal is from a "victim" group.

[PullMyFinger]

Originally Posted by beenhereandthere

Ok, this officer gets a murder charge but another officer in the same State who did something just as asinine, gets off free. Wonder what the difference is?
Yes, the officer who got off was a POC himself, but had lighter skin and didn't have a Muslim Name and he didn't shoot a White Woman.
BS.
Both should have got manslaughter.

There’s no situation like this one but please don’t stop with your outrage.

[Lodestar]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Filing: Noor raised red flags with trainers, psychiatrists

A couple of friends and I were talking about this last night. We've all retired from mental health backgrounds and all of us had thought there were previous issues that had been overlooked in the city's haste to add Somalian representatives to the department.

The goal is a reasonable and fair one but when it comes to humans and their personal frailties diversity cannot be forced upon people regardless of a perceived need. Warranted or not, people need time to assimilate and cannot do that by the will of government.

To expect people from war-torn countries to be free from serious issues such as PTSD and to be able to adjust in one generation to a First World country completely discounts their historical emotional baggage. It's probably more realistically a generational task.

These are the kinds of costly errors that happen to real people's lives when government runs by quotas rather than treating each person as an individual rather than statistically valuable.

Local government really must take pause and consider that improved mental health efforts means seeing people as individuals not as pawns in a political game.