Minnesota's first infected Coronasvirus person. (casino, exemption, legality)

[Glenfield]

FWIW, I’ve supported the Albany bar owner who pushed back on the shutdown. Bars and restaurants should be allowed to open.

And while I am not a Catholic, I believe that communion holds great significance for them and cannot be taken virtually.

Any comments on the disparity of the governor’s orders to allow, for example, casinos (whose patrons tend to be older and often in poor health) to open at 50% capacity while churches are limited to 10 people, and any First Amendment implications under the Supreme Court’s strict scrutiny standard in light of the recent USDOJ letter to California? Perhaps it’s the state that is motivated by revenue.

https://www.politico.com/states/cali...urches-1284597

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

FWIW, I’ve supported the Albany bar owner who pushed back on the shutdown. Bars and restaurants should be allowed to open.

And while I am not a Catholic, I believe that communion holds great significance for them and cannot be taken virtually.

Any comments on the disparity of the governor’s orders to allow, for example, casinos (whose patrons tend to be older and often in poor health) to open at 50% capacity while churches are limited to 10 people, and any First Amendment implications under the Supreme Court’s strict scrutiny standard in light of the recent USDOJ letter to California? Perhaps it’s the state that is motivated by revenue.

https://www.politico.com/states/cali...urches-1284597

I’m Catholic. Personally I think Catholics can survive just fine without celebrating the sacrament of communion in person for a few more weeks. And I’m not making a legal fight argument. I just think in the case of the Catholic church that this move is ill-advised.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

I’m Catholic. Personally I think Catholics can survive just fine without celebrating the sacrament of communion in person for a few more weeks. And I’m not making a legal fight argument. I just think in the case of the Catholic church that this move is ill-advised.

Do you think the governor is wrong to allow casinos, bars, restaurants etc. to open?

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

FWIW, I’ve supported the Albany bar owner who pushed back on the shutdown. Bars and restaurants should be allowed to open.

And while I am not a Catholic, I believe that communion holds great significance for them and cannot be taken virtually.

Any comments on the disparity of the governor’s orders to allow, for example, casinos (whose patrons tend to be older and often in poor health) to open at 50% capacity while churches are limited to 10 people, and any First Amendment implications under the Supreme Court’s strict scrutiny standard in light of the recent USDOJ letter to California? Perhaps it’s the state that is motivated by revenue.

https://www.politico.com/states/cali...urches-1284597

Of course, the states are motivated by money. So is Telsa, the bars and definitely the Catholic church. My only point was you calling them courageous. No, they are not, it's stupid. We have 95K deaths here in the USA with about 5% or less of the population with the virus. That means 12x to 14x more deaths at minimum to go before "herd immunity". I bet MN is far below that percentage. Heck, Stockholm is only at 7 of the people testing with antibodies. No fricken way will I be rubbing elbows with other people in crowded bars, stadiums, churches, etc. It could be interesting in about 6 weeks. Popcorn is popped. We will see how it goes. Meanwhile, I'll dodge the crowds and take the suggested precautions. YMMV. Best of luck. Because luck is involved for the people going to church (crowed bars etc).

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Do you think the governor is wrong to allow casinos, bars, restaurants etc. to open?

No I don’t, although it worries me how doing so will likely cause cases and deaths to accelerate. Where I distinguish between bars, restaurants and casinos with the church is that a church can function and survive while operating remotely whereas restaurants, bars and casinos for the most part cannot (establishments which primarily serve via delivery and takeout being the exception).

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

Of course, the states are motivated by money. So is Telsa, the bars and definitely the Catholic church. My only point was you calling them courageous. No, they are not, it's stupid. We have 95K deaths here in the USA with about 5% or less of the population with the virus. That means 12x to 14x more deaths at minimum to go before "herd immunity". I bet MN is far below that percentage. Heck, Stockholm is only at 7 of the people testing with antibodies. No fricken way will I be rubbing elbows with other people in crowded bars, stadiums, churches, etc. It could be interesting in about 6 weeks. Popcorn is popped. We will see how it goes. Meanwhile, I'll dodge the crowds and take the suggested precautions. YMMV. Best of luck. Because luck is involved for the people going to church (crowed bars etc).

We disagree but I would never question your right to isolate yourself for as long as you feel necessary. Might be hard to get that high infection rate necessary for herd immunity if everyone’s isolated, especially now that it is not easily transmitted on surfaces. New info every day.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

No I don’t, although it worries me how doing so will likely cause cases and deaths to accelerate. Where I distinguish between bars, restaurants and casinos with the church is that a church can function and survive while operating remotely whereas restaurants, bars and casinos for the most part cannot (establishments which primarily serve via delivery and takeout being the exception).

Ok. Bars and restaurants can’t function remotely but churches can. How about casinos? On line gambling is huge. How about allowing offices to reopen where workers are working remotely?

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

We disagree but I would never question your right to isolate yourself for as long as you feel necessary. Might be hard to get that high infection rate necessary for herd immunity if everyone’s isolated, especially now that it is not easily transmitted on surfaces. New info every day.

I'm crossing my fingers on the Oxford or other pending vaccines. I'm simply mitigating my risks. To me at least, it's common sense.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by MN-Born-n-Raised

I'm crossing my fingers on the Oxford or other pending vaccines. I'm simply mitigating my risks. To me at least, it's common sense.

The US just secured 300 million doses of the new AstraZeneca vaccine.
https://business.financialpost.com/t...d-19-vaccine-3

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

Ok. Bars and restaurants can’t function remotely but churches can. How about casinos? On line gambling is huge. How about allowing offices to reopen where workers are working remotely?

I could be wrong (I’m not a casino expert) but it was my understanding that online gambling and brick and mortar casinos were in most cases unaffiliated. I’m not thrilled about them re-opening. Alot of patrons of casinos are retirees and many of which are also smokers. This will probably lead to more deaths. However, it’s a business and in Minnesota they are owned by Native American tribes who depend on them to live.

Walz could allow churches to re-open with social distancing requirements in place...I just don’t think it’s a good idea to encourage large gatherings quite yet and would hope that most church leaders would recognize this and would opt to not needlessly put their parishioners at risk.