Only 8% of Minneapolis police officers live in city limits (crime, neighborhoods)

[Glenfield]

This article suggests that residency requirements are not particularly effective at aligning a police force and its city, and surprisingly are linked to the opposite effect. Here are a couple of interesting quotes:

Although it’s impossible to establish causation between requiring cops to live in the city and the demographics of the police force in Pittsburgh or anywhere else, our analysis does show that departments with the rule tend to reflect their communities less than departments without it.

In the mid-1990s, the researchers explored the connection between residency requirements and the confidence levels of their communities in three aspects of policing: the perceived ability of the police to prevent crime, their perceived ability to solve crime, and their perceived ability to protect citizens. They discovered the last thing they were expecting.

“We found to our surprise that residency requirements did not improve confidence,” Murphy said in a recent interview. Quite the opposite: Residency requirements were correlated with less public confidence in the police, specifically in the police force’s ability to protect its citizens.

While that runs counter to what may seem intuitive, that is what the numbers show.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...lice-officers/

[Cruz Azul Guy]

Good article, thanks for sharing. Interesting that residency requirements seem to cause the police force have more disimilar demographic makeup.

In terms of the impact it would have on better connecting the police with city residents, I imagine that would be something more difficult to measure. I believe the solution to our current policing issues involves improving the relationship, confidence level and mutual respect between residents and police.

I personally don’t like the idea of a residency requirement, I don’t want to limit the applicant pool but once hired provide an incentive to live within city limits if there is value in doing so (such as improving what I mentioned above).

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Good article, thanks for sharing. Interesting that residency requirements seem to cause the police force have more disimilar demographic makeup.

In terms of the impact it would have on better connecting the police with city residents, I imagine that would be something more difficult to measure. I believe the solution to our current policing issues involves improving the relationship, confidence level and mutual respect between residents and police.

I personally don’t like the idea of a residency requirement, I don’t want to limit the applicant pool but once hired provide an incentive to live within city limits if there is value in doing so (such as improving what I mentioned above).

I don’t disagree. It is going to be hard enough for MPD to fill openings without creating another barrier.

I don’t think we should minimize the role played by the adverse relations between the city council and MPD. While it may be that the council’s beef is really with the police union and there is some validity to their feelings, there’s no doubt in my mind that their hostility has been directed at the rank and file street cops. I believe the public has picked up on that, especially the criminals, and although the council wants no blame, criminals and gangsters have been emboldened by this split and that’s what’s behind the spike in crime.

We had a robbery a couple of blocks from here earlier this week where a gang of black teen girls snatched a neighbor’s purse. Something like that would have been unimaginable a year ago but here we are.

While some locals were supportive of the victim, others took to local social media to scold her for calling the police and “endangering” the thieves! And a billboard at 46th and Nicollet that read “support the police” has been defaced to read “kill the police.” So this is the mindset we’re dealing with in this area.

We won’t see the crime rate come down without effective, proactive, color-blind policing, but that is impossible in the face of the lack of support by the council and, to a slightly lesser degree, the mayor. This is hands down the worst city council we’ve had in my 20+ years as a Minneapolis resident. I fear we’re going have to see things get much worse before there are, once again, calls for relief from the danger.

[snebarekim]

Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy

Good article, thanks for sharing. Interesting that residency requirements seem to cause the police force have more disimilar demographic makeup.

Look at how modern police actually do policing work.

And then look at why they do it that way.

Remember, they are being managed.

It isn't about beat cops walking their own neighborhoods anymore, and likely will not ever be again.

[wamer27]

Originally Posted by Glenfield

I don’t disagree. It is going to be hard enough for MPD to fill openings without creating another barrier.

I don’t think we should minimize the role played by the adverse relations between the city council and MPD. While it may be that the council’s beef is really with the police union and there is some validity to their feelings, there’s no doubt in my mind that their hostility has been directed at the rank and file street cops. I believe the public has picked up on that, especially the criminals, and although the council wants no blame, criminals and gangsters have been emboldened by this split and that’s what’s behind the spike in crime.

We had a robbery a couple of blocks from here earlier this week where a gang of black teen girls snatched a neighbor’s purse. Something like that would have been unimaginable a year ago but here we are.

While some locals were supportive of the victim, others took to local social media to scold her for calling the police and “endangering” the thieves! And a billboard at 46th and Nicollet that read “support the police” has been defaced to read “kill the police.” So this is the mindset we’re dealing with in this area.

We won’t see the crime rate come down without effective, proactive, color-blind policing, but that is impossible in the face of the lack of support by the council and, to a slightly lesser degree, the mayor. This is hands down the worst city council we’ve had in my 20+ years as a Minneapolis resident. I fear we’re going have to see things get much worse before there are, once again, calls for relief from the danger.

This is part of the root, they will never change their minds.

[Glenfield]

Originally Posted by wamer27

This is part of the root, they will never change their minds.

They change their mind when they’re the ones who are victimized.

[Curly Q. Bobalink]

Admit it, there is a CULTURAL divide in America that is only getting wider.
It is between those who have respect for education vs. those who do not;
It is between those who have respect for property rights vs. those who do not:
It is between those that value the safety of others vs. those who do not;
It is between those that are willing to live in a sewer vs. those who are not.

I laugh at those who proclaim whites moved to the suburbs "Because they fear brown people".
When in reality, they moved to get away from those who do not share the same values as they do. Heck, I had to quit going to movies in the city because of the morons who cannot keep their pieholes closed such that you can actually listen to the dialogue. If you don't want to live in a society that respects authority, God Bless You, feel free to live there. But don't expect me to live next door to you, I'm going to get out and move as far away from you as I can. Maybe that's the answer, maybe it's time to have a real dee-vorse and split the place up. Those that don't like civilization have no right to live within it.
Signed, an Old White Guy.

[ckhthankgod]

This thread reminds me of this council meeting in my area, which gives legitimate reasons behind residency requirements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qZ...&feature=share

I think the key is to start with a magnet program in the school system, that allows them to recruit from within the city early.

[snebarekim]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

This thread reminds me of this council meeting in my area, which gives legitimate reasons behind residency requirements:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7qZ...&feature=share

I think the key is to start with a magnet program in the school system, that allows them to recruit from within the city.

Keeping city tax dollars in the city makes sense, so he had a good point there.

But then he started in on the "*gasp!* many of the police and teachers in our city are wypipo!" racialist nonsense.

[ckhthankgod]

Originally Posted by snebarekim

Keeping city tax dollars in the city makes sense, so he had a good point there.

But then he started in on the "*gasp!* many of the police and teachers in our city are wypipo!" racialist nonsense.

Well, his point is that the demographics of both of those industries are very much disproportionately different from that of the city they work in. It is a simple fact of people have no problem working in/for the city, but besides that forget it. This is somewhat odd, as some city workers may have to follow a city residency order.

I couldn’t find anything more recent than 2013, but at the time 79.8% of the police officers were white non Hispanic. https://www.governing.com/gov-data/s...sentation.html