01-23-2013, 09:41 AM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Kiltmadoc
As the OP of this post, I just want to re-emphasize the FACT that in MN you are paying state taxes TWICE on the alcohol. Once from the state excise tax, and one more time with the state sales tax. If you want to get particularly picky, you actually pay 3 times, when you include the federal excise tax. Simply on principle, this should annoy people; whether or not you believe in drinking alcohol or sunday sales. It would be as if you were paying sales tax on your gasoline in addition to the gas tax already levied by the state.
That sort of thing isn't uncommon. Georgia, for example, does precisely the same thing with gasoline. Not sure about alcohol taxes in Georgia, since I don't really buy alcohol.
01-23-2013, 09:48 AM
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golfgal
If they didn't have the option to buy on Sunday, they would have planned better though....
But that already isn't an option...unless you want to drive over to Hudson or Superior or other border towns to buy your booze.
I don't quite see why I need to plan such a small purchase. Sure, if gasoline and food were not sold on Sundays, people would probably adjust and find a way around it...they'd have no option. But what would be the justification for banning food or gasoline (or alcohol) on Sundays? Telling people to "plan better" is telling them to find a workaround for an outdated law.
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Originally Posted by kiltmadoc
As the OP of this post, I just want to re-emphasize the FACT that in MN you are paying state taxes TWICE on the alcohol. Once from the state excise tax, and one more time with the state sales tax. If you want to get particularly picky, you actually pay 3 times, when you include the federal excise tax. Simply on principle, this should annoy people; whether or not you believe in drinking alcohol or sunday sales. It would be as if you were paying sales tax on your gasoline in addition to the gas tax already levied by the state.
It's essentially just paying the sales tax plus an alcohol "sin tax". It's really less double taxation than it is simply additional tax levied.
01-23-2013, 11:30 PM
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If they didn't have the option to buy on Sunday, they would have planned better though....
Not really an option when on short notice, people decide to have a BBQ, or if you run out of beer for a football party on a Sunday.
That a certain type of business is mandated to be closed on a certain day of the week is ridiculous in this day and age.
01-28-2013, 06:59 PM
Location: Minneapolis
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Originally Posted by
Kiltmadoc
As the OP of this post, I just want to re-emphasize the FACT that in MN you are paying state taxes TWICE on the alcohol. Once from the state excise tax, and one more time with the state sales tax. If you want to get particularly picky, you actually pay 3 times, when you include the federal excise tax. Simply on principle, this should annoy people...
I'll tell you what I should be annoyed by: Any person who tells me what I should be annoyed by.
I works my job, I pays my taxes, I drinks my delicious beer, and I decide whether to be annoyed or not.
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01-29-2013, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by
Kiltmadoc
As the OP of this post, I just want to re-emphasize the FACT that in MN you are paying state taxes TWICE on the alcohol. Once from the state excise tax, and one more time with the state sales tax. If you want to get particularly picky, you actually pay 3 times, when you include the federal excise tax. Simply on principle, this should annoy people ; whether or not you believe in drinking alcohol or sunday sales.
It doesn't annoy me -- a periodic enjoyer of a nice beer and, on occasion, a martini -- one bit.
It's alcohol. It's a complete non-necessity. Alcohol is intensive in the tolls, most of them financial tolls indirectly if not directly, it exacts on society. Beyond that, the roads and airports and schools and hospitals and other assorted infrastructure need to be built. Making consumers (such as myself) of a complete non-necessity such as alcohol pay a slightly disproportionate share of the costs of those infrastructure necessities is a plan with which I don't disagree at all.
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It would be as if you were paying sales tax on your gasoline in addition to the gas tax already levied by the state.
Not even remotely. To equate the very utilitarian motor vehicle with the marginally utilitarian (at best, to stretch the very definition of the term) alcohol is simply nonsensical.
01-29-2013, 08:37 PM
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Interesting; I'm thinking of moving to MSP and this post made me look up the liquor laws by state and it does not really seem that bad compared to what it could be. I live in St. Louis and we have some pretty loose laws in Missouri. Be glad that at least you don't have dry counties and cities as some places in Illinois and Arkansas do. Here you can buy beer pretty much anywhere; drug stores, grocery, even gas stations. Never really thought about it before.
01-29-2013, 08:42 PM
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It would be nice if more places were closed on sunday just as a matter of principle IMHO; liquor or not.
Then start a business and be closed Sundays. The rest of us will just have to make do with the convenience of living in civilization.
01-30-2013, 06:25 AM
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Interesting; I'm thinking of moving to MSP and this post made me look up the liquor laws by state and it does not really seem that bad compared to what it could be. I live in St. Louis and we have some pretty loose laws in Missouri. Be glad that at least you don't have dry counties and cities as some places in Illinois and Arkansas do. Here you can buy beer pretty much anywhere; drug stores, grocery, even gas stations. Never really thought about it before.
We were in MO a few months ago and we were killing time looking at the wine selection at Walgreen's waiting for a prescription to get filled
01-30-2013, 10:09 AM
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Interesting; I'm thinking of moving to MSP and this post made me look up the liquor laws by state and it does not really seem that bad compared to what it could be. I live in St. Louis and we have some pretty loose laws in Missouri. Be glad that at least you don't have dry counties and cities as some places in Illinois and Arkansas do. Here you can buy beer pretty much anywhere; drug stores, grocery, even gas stations. Never really thought about it before.
I have some friends who were sort of shocked that Minnesota has "liquor stores" and separate areas of grocery places where the liquor is sold. I can't remember which of my friends brought it up (and therefore which state they originally came from), but apparently they had never set foot in a "liquor store" in their life to purchase booze. It was always just a run to the gas station or grocery aisle.
01-30-2013, 08:24 PM
Location: Minnesota
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Oregon once sold all spirits in stores owned by the state. You had to have the state ID to get a bottle of booze. Not sure how it is done these days, but I've never felt alcohol hard to come by in this state. Offsale stores all over the place. THOSE I know don't close. Where I live, if I wanted a bottle of whiskey on Sunday, I think I could walk two blocks.
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People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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