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Old 01-25-2014, 08:54 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I would pick MN to live in over both IL and MO as the Twin Cities have a better overall economy.
We get it GS, you like cold environments with a fairly similar demographic.

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Old 01-26-2014, 08:25 AM
 
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^And no hillbillies to gum up the state politics.
Missouri without those hillbillies you feel superior to would be just another Illinois, not Minnesota... if that.
It's more about culture than politics.
By the way, I like Kansas City, Chicago, and St. Louis (to a lesser extent) but those towns can barely figure out their own politics, while they are even less adept at state-level politics that include large rural areas they don't fully understand or respect.
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Old 01-27-2014, 12:32 PM
 
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We've obviously hit a nerve with the left as they feel they have to defend Illinois' fiscal policy - which is a complete disaster.

So we move the goalposts from how the average person lives to how many fortune 500 companies are located there.

No need to defend their fiscal policy. Illinois has per capita income of $28,700, and per capita debt of $5041, or if you spread debt repayment out over ten years, about $500 per capita per year. That's not exactly what I'd call scandalous. I think it's disingenuous to blow this level of debt up into some kind of emergency when it clearly is not that bad. I mean, if it's so bad that IL has that debt, you need to ride on South Dakota and Montana just as much for their $4k+ debt against $24k per capita incomes. Alaksa has almost 30% debt to per capita income. Where's the hubbub over that? Only ten states exceed 2% per capita debt (spread over ten years) against per capita income, all of them high income states.

And no moving of goalposts. You guys all talk like marginal differences in per capita debt matter a lot, and they might matter a little, but there are so many other factors related to quality of life that state debt is, at best, one of many data points to consider when comparing places to one another.
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Old 01-27-2014, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Paris
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How's all that debt helping Illinois? Have you seen East St Louis?

No - fiscal responsibility should be applauded, red state or blue state.

So you think East St. Louis is the way it is because of the state's debt?
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