08-16-2009, 04:05 PM
Location: The City of St. Louis
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I have to agree...the eastern front of the Sierra Nevada is spectacular. I've visited the area around Mono Lake, coming out of Yosemite and was amazed at the landscape. Huge mountains, a salt lake/marsh, and then a lavafield landscape that resembles the moon with pine trees as you drive into Nevada. I would love to make it out there again someday (it is on my "list") and do a little more hiking. We ended up driving east across rural Nevada, through Tonopoah and Caliente, and again, a very foriegn, desolate, and interesting landscape.
Indeed, both the Ozarks and that region of Eastern California are beautiful...just in their own ways.
BTW, I'm not sure where I picked up that fact about Black Mountain, but I remember reading it somewhere a few years ago. I can't personally think of anywhere steeper in the entire state...there are some hills around Branson and Eminence that might have 700' of relief, but Black Mountain seems to trump everything else.
08-16-2009, 04:06 PM
Location: North Idaho
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Most definitely, D.P.! If you just hang around O'Fallon and I-70 between there and St. Louis, you're missing out on some great places to see if you like the outdoors.
Johnson's Shut-Ins was absolutely devastated a few winters ago when a major dam failed, swamping the shut-ins with an unbelievable torrent of flood waters. My wife and I got to visit the park for the first time the following May (must have been 2006), and in spite of its heavily damaged condition, the rock formations and topography are quite nice! They must get all kinds of people who visit on summer weekends, cooling off in the water among the "shut-in" rock formations.
http://www.mostateparks.com/jshutins.htm Based on this site, it sounds like all the recovery work is nearly complete!
Also very highly recommended: the Trail of Tears State Park a few miles north of Cape Girardeau. Not one of our country's finest historical moments, but the park does an outstanding job of recording this time period when the Cherokees were forced to cross this part of the Mississippi en route to the Indian Territory (present-day Oklahoma). Beautiful overlook of the Mississippi River at this park. You're now a ways east of the Ozark Mountains. Nearby Bollinger State Historic Mill with its covered bridge is wonderful too. And don't get me started on Onondaga Cave off I-44....(trying very hard not to go off on a big tangent here!) Closer to St. Louis: Castlewood State Park in Ballwin, and the Shaw Nature Reserve in Gray Summit, which are at the Ozarks' front doorstep.
08-16-2009, 04:16 PM
Location: North Idaho
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OA, would you (or anyone else) happen to know if there's a trail you can take to climb to the top of Black Mountain?
I found this site
Black Mountain Summit - Missouri Mountain Peak Information but it doesn't specifically state whether there's a Black Mountain trail or not.
From this site, it sounds like the
Crane Lake trail is really nice! Might have to bring some Off! spray just to be on the safe side....
MoNative 34 wins the prize for reminding me about Elephant Rocks State Park! Another absolute must-see. There's an easy paved loop trail that goes around the main area, with little spur trails that let you get up to these giant granite rocks and get great views of the surrounding hillsides. Beware of the drive along Highway 21. Not like it's really twisty and winding, but this very scenic drive has seen a lot of serious car accidents in the past.
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08-16-2009, 04:25 PM
Location: The City of St. Louis
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OA, would you (or anyone else) happen to know if there's a trail you can take to climb to the top of Black Mountain?
I found this site
Black Mountain Summit - Missouri Mountain Peak Information but it doesn't specifically state whether there's a Black Mountain trail or not.
From this site, it sounds like the
Crane Lake trail is really nice! Might have to bring some Off! spray just to be on the safe side....
As far as I know there are no trails. I've only driven through the area, however. Being that it appears to be in the Mark Twain National Forest, it looks like an easy bushwack to the top, of course neglecting the leg-straining nearly 1,000 vertical feet you would have to climb up! Just go in the fall or winter and hike straight up
However, a proper topographic map of the area (I miss topozone.com and the free USGS maps it provided) and a USFS map to validate that Black Mountain is not located on some private land inholding would be required, along with a compass.
08-21-2009, 11:30 AM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I asked DP if he had gotten to really see any of Missouri back when he was in his whiny phase about living there. Glad to see he has decided to venture out! I went to Johnson Shut-ins while I was home, they have done a good job of restoring it, but its not quite the same.
08-21-2009, 12:46 PM
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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I'm still in my whinny phase (just a bit quieter - it just makes people angry), But I do like to explore, there is enough to see to keep me from going full whine.
08-21-2009, 04:18 PM
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I'm still in my whinny phase (just a bit quieter - it just makes people angry), But I do like to explore, there is enough to see to keep me from going full whine.
DP, I do understand why you whine, thats all I do while I am here, I truly despise this state.
As you said, I try not to, cuz people dont want to hear it.
I try to enjoy some of the natural beauty of rural Florida, and there is quite a bit of it.(its mostly the people that make me so crazy)
There is a lot of Missouri waiting to be explored and enjoyed, go for it!
08-21-2009, 07:04 PM
Location: North Idaho
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DP, I do understand why you whine, thats all I do while I am here, I truly despise this state.
I could say almost exactly the same thing about my little corner of California, and I've probably crabbed and griped and groaned and moaned about it too much here! Don't feel too bad. I'm so happy you got to spend some time in Missouri!
There really is a lot to see and do throughout the state, and most things don't cost your first-born to enjoy them (I paid all of three bucks to spend nearly five terrific hours romping around the Shaw Nature Reserve in Gray Summit this past June!
). The state parks are free, and I'd love to try to discover more hiking trails in the Ozarks, including the Crane Lake Trail.
08-26-2009, 05:05 PM
Location: SE Missouri
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Will post about condition of the Crane Lake Trail within a couple weeks. A buddy of mine just hiked some of it a couple weeks ago, and we plan to go soon after fishing the lake one day.
08-26-2009, 05:36 PM
Location: SE Missouri
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I could say almost exactly the same thing about my little corner of California, and I've probably crabbed and griped and groaned and moaned about it too much here! Don't feel too bad. I'm so happy you got to spend some time in Missouri!
There really is a lot to see and do throughout the state, and most things don't cost your first-born to enjoy them (I paid all of three bucks to spend nearly five terrific hours romping around the Shaw Nature Reserve in Gray Summit this past June!
). The state parks are free, and I'd love to try to discover more hiking trails in the Ozarks, including the Crane Lake Trail.
yeah, it is VERY nice to visit the parks here in MO and not pay crazy fees to 'enjoy' them with throngs of other folk! and one doesn't have to book camping reservations six months in advance the morning they go on sale.
must admit though...i REALLY miss some of the spots in the Sierras and along the coast out West! especially when they combine fishing with camping and/or hiking. there are still a few places out there that offer solitude, and some even for no fee. hard to find or get to though!
my favorite spots in MO are mostly in the arcadia valley area. VERY beautiful country. working there right now, on the Taum Sauk reservoir project, and have a lot of family and friends in the area.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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