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One cash cow that needs REFORM and Dismantling is the present West Virginia college system...cut these institutions down to about 6 units and umbrella them under Marshal and WVU...
Hundreds of millions could be saved...what are we seeing? A stampede to internet learning.
The present college system is certain to implode soon.
What do you do with these instituitons that are discarded? Turn them into High Schools!
The idiots in state government have actually managed to make it worse by creating a whole new bureaucracy for Gov. Photo Op to use to reward his cronies. They forced the 4 year schools to forfeit the community colleges they had built and put them under an entirely new body of politicos. What we need is a Penn State type system where the community colleges are under WVU which could selectively offer 4 year programs in them where appropriate. They should close either Bluefield or Concord as well as Glenville. The others can carry themselves okay. Make either Bluefield or Concord a branch of Marshall and the others branches of West Virginia. Let Marshall keep their Kanawha graduate center and give them back their community college... the rest go to WVU.
My feelings are they should be regional...the southern colleges controled by Marshall because of its excellence of course and incredible management (that flys in the face of Charleston)...They just do things differently down there...
I cite the electronic computer library that is cutting edge, funded by the allumni and available to high schools in Wv and Kentucky.
The eastern panhandle colleges could be brought into sync with the University of Maryland! And partner with then to do the Internet Service (which is the best in the world)
And WVU could take care of the remainder.
And the biggie...The BIGGIE!
Set these institutions up as the businesses that they are. AND get politics out of them completely...Heather Manchin Kirby Bresch caused a lot of frevor and it is still boiling/stinking.
Citizens have known for years that Degrees go to the Crested Politico's for free...has been that way for years..
Their kids are too dumb to study or need to party hearty...or are 'just not interested...BUT they need that Masters in Business or what...and the $300 degree from the magazine is too expensive..
A person cannot get a job that pays 3.5 million a year without a Degree...well, most can't.
What I'm talking about is credibility in education...we don't seem to have a handle on that yet...from the bottom of the high schools to the top...in the colleges.
Marshall to me is shining high above the dung pile of Wv education... (Bailey and GHO will like that)
My feelings are they should be regional...the southern colleges controled by Marshall because of its excellence of course and incredible management (that flys in the face of Charleston)...They just do things differently down there...
I cite the electronic computer library that is cutting edge, funded by the allumni and available to high schools in Wv and Kentucky.
The eastern panhandle colleges could be brought into sync with the University of Maryland! And partner with then to do the Internet Service (which is the best in the world)
And WVU could take care of the remainder.
And the biggie...The BIGGIE!
Set these institutions up as the businesses that they are. AND get politics out of them completely...Heather Manchin Kirby Bresch caused a lot of frevor and it is still boiling/stinking.
Citizens have known for years that Degrees go to the Crested Politico's for free...has been that way for years..
Their kids are too dumb to study or need to party hearty...or are 'just not interested...BUT they need that Masters in Business or what...and the $300 degree from the magazine is too expensive..
A person cannot get a job that pays 3.5 million a year without a Degree...well, most can't.
What I'm talking about is credibility in education...we don't seem to have a handle on that yet...from the bottom of the high schools to the top...in the colleges.
Marshall to me is shining high above the dung pile of Wv education... (Bailey and GHO will like that)
Being a Marshall alumnus, I wish I could agree with you. Just in the last week a controversy broils about the newly severed community college. Kopp had, of course, counted on $300 per year from each community college student to pay the huge rental fee for the new recreation center he commited to leasing long term in Huntington. Now that the cc is no longer under Kopp's control, they are balking at that requirement. Just as was predicted by certain people (me among them) the bubble on the ponzi scheme is dangerously close to bursting. His employees are among the lowest paid in all of higher education, yet he insists on creating an ever expanding list of tuition discounts and reductions... pointing to high end figures as though they were the norm but giving just about everyone who breathes a coupon for redemption. Then he throws money into redundant new programs taking valuable resources from existing endeavors. He also needs to stop trying to encroach on West Virginia State's turf. That is a waste of State resources.
If that is shining above the dung pile it is an interesting perception. That said, I could see giving them either Bluefield or Concord and closing the other.
The State can barely afford one national and one regional institution. They need to fund each adequately for its appropriate role, and stop trying to make them carbon copies of each other. Shepard's natural fit is with WVU, which already has a large presence in the Eastern Panhandle in health sciences, just as they do in Charleston. Fairmont State should be consolidated with WVU. Use existing resources there for new programs (veterinary sciences, optometry etc.) that aren't currently available in West Virginia under the WVU umbrella. Savings from consolidation could be used to fund them. Current FSU employees could be made WVU employees and duplicatious programs offered in Morgantown with branch classes in Fairmont where appropriate. Being just 19 miles apart, transport between the two campuses would be a fairly simple matter (busses and/or PRT expansion through the Mon Valley). WVU has done a remarkably good job of maneuvering through the Manchin family created mess in spite of political interference from Photo Op. I fully agree with you that politics needs to be totally removed from the process.
Last edited by CTMountaineer; 03-21-2009 at 09:39 AM..
Could ANY of the Morgantown development have been caused by the Glen-Mark Corp.
Two local individuals who spent two billion dollars of their own money to completely establish the Waterfront area or provide several shopping areas and build rental dwelllings for over three thousand people as we speak.
No private individual/s in the history of the city has done that....EVER.
And also, there are a couple of people who work privately behind the scenes to create busnesses.
The fact that the Mayor took credit for the "socialist glory should be a tip off that he is in the Rocky Camp.
When Socialsim gets here in full force, Mr. Rocky will be leading the parade down Spruce Street.
A prediction:
That Mr. Rocky leads the Obama charge to let the Welfare indigents into the VA health care hospitals...
He's the In Charge guy...now you know WHY,he's the IN CHARGE guy.
He bought us with hot dogs a cokes...It's a change we CAN believe in
David, while I disagree with some of your perceptions, I definitely agree with you about the contributions of those private individuals in Morgantown's success story. The Biafora's efforts have been visionary and remarkable... not seen in West Virginia since the days of the early industrial barons. And, virtually all of that has taken place with mnimal help or cooperation from governmental entities at any level. If they got on board with infra structure and so forth, just imagine how much more could be accomplished.
If every town had people like them involved, we wouldn't be hearing the negative stuff that dominates the news today.
If every town had families involved for the public and not the private interest, I doubt if any of it would ever make the news.
At Middletown Mall today I was doing paper work amidst the incredible hoard of Boy and Girl Scouts assembled there for their gathering...Scout-O-rama...
One of the Executives said this to me..."We can't even get the newspaper to cover our things...and look at this incredible family event."
I replied..."You're not socialistic enough...too moral...family values are not liberal enough."
He said, Our role is to educate, and give experience with rewards..."
I said..."See, you've made my point...scouting is outdated for our time...if it was a welfare program you would be getting a lot of Front Page Press."
Part of the attitude is a derivitave of the Mafia Idiom..."The money is there...If I don't take it, someone else will...
In the crested political world it goes like this..."I'm the elected dweeb here...if I'm not elected, someone else will be."
Consider our representatives to DC and you will understand what I'm saying. The only place a little guy is ALLOWED to be elected is a very small town and most of them are on the financial ropes.
You mentioned the state hardly able to make ends meet with our colleges...I will cite a case in point.
Rich R....literally kicked out of the state...Why? Money was at the heart of it. Football programs cost a lot of money...say 50 million per year. A coach is setting up the deal to make a suitcase full...Dweebs see that their share will be minimal and send him packing...
Pull up the basketball program...much more cheap to operate...say 4 million per year.
What do we get? A great basketball program...and a mediocre Football team...just like the days of Mr. N. When we won 6 games and got a Bowl bid...(they feel that is good enough for the peons)
What we could have had was a National Team...It was All about money...trust me.
To your observation I will add this...Fairmont General Hospital will be defunct as soon as United's great medical center opens her doors on Jerry Dove Drive....Dr. Pilkington fled this Spring.
The entire Nursing program of WVU could be relocated at FSU. It would do a lot to help save that crappy town...Will it happen? Not unless someone can make a dollar out of it...
Getting back to Grafton...think I'll nose around there next week...meet some of the shakers...
My guess is some of them might be Republicans or Yellow Dog Democrats...My kind of people for sure...
I doubt the nursing program would be a fit for Fairmont because they need the resources at the University Hospital. I'd think programs not currently offered within the state would be a natural and could utilize money saved from consolidating resources.
I don't agree about Rodriguez. I've been a devoted Mountaineer fan all my life (at least 51 of my nearly 66 years), and a regular attendee at games. Rodriguez wanted to operate a program essentially without supervision. There is no way they could let him do that, and I'd bet Michigan won't let him do it either. In addition, regular opponents were getting wise to his one trick pony offense... South Florida and Pitt in particular. It was time for a change. The current staff is doing a fine job considering they had to install a new system... they did better than Rodriguez did installing his new system at Michigan. And, the assistants and recruiting are superior to Rodriguez's tenure. I think the football program will be fine.
CT...The Farimont General Hospital is adjacient to FSU...It has been looked at for that single possiblilty.
and the FSU Nursing program is the best in the state. It will free up space at WVU for research work and they want to do that in a big way (for the money that can be siphoned off).
Rodriguez? ...the true story is hidden and stinks to high heaven...and typical of our leadership. Who's coming after Stewart's early retirement? Little guy from Worthington? He's being courted for the job but knows the situation here and won't come.
CT...The Farimont General Hospital is adjacient to FSU...It has been looked at for that single possiblilty.
and the FSU Nursing program is the best in the state. It will free up space at WVU for research work and they want to do that in a big way (for the money that can be siphoned off).
Rodriguez? ...the true story is hidden and stinks to high heaven...and typical of our leadership. Who's coming after Stewart's early retirement? Little guy from Worthington? He's being courted for the job but knows the situation here and won't come.
From my perspective, aside from the mess Kopp is creating in Huntington (he's such a good flim flam man they actually just gave him a huge pay raise), the problems in higher education in the state can all be connected in one way or another to Photo Op Manchin. Take his interference out of the equation, and how has the administration been bad at WVU? Our athletic facilities are among the best in the Nation, our program highly respected and NCAA compliant. And, in my view our football coaching situation is actually a positive one. We have a head coach who is well liked and respected by his assistants and players, and who is not likely to have problems opening his mouth at the wrong time and in the wrong way. His assistants who are among the best in the business and for the most part have built in loyalty. Recruiting is on the upswing and looks to be even better next year.
This month's job figures show unemployment in Morgantown at 3.2%, up 0.5% from last month, so it seems some of the recession is spilling over. Still, with more than 3 pages of help wanted ads in today's paper, opportunity still abounds in most skill areas. Compared with two or three columns of listings in the State's other newspapers, it is still a great job market there.
My feelings are they should be regional...the southern colleges controled by Marshall because of its excellence of course and incredible management (that flys in the face of Charleston)...They just do things differently down there...
I cite the electronic computer library that is cutting edge, funded by the allumni and available to high schools in Wv and Kentucky.
The eastern panhandle colleges could be brought into sync with the University of Maryland! And partner with then to do the Internet Service (which is the best in the world)
And WVU could take care of the remainder.
And the biggie...The BIGGIE!
Set these institutions up as the businesses that they are. AND get politics out of them completely...Heather Manchin Kirby Bresch caused a lot of frevor and it is still boiling/stinking.
Citizens have known for years that Degrees go to the Crested Politico's for free...has been that way for years..
Their kids are too dumb to study or need to party hearty...or are 'just not interested...BUT they need that Masters in Business or what...and the $300 degree from the magazine is too expensive..
A person cannot get a job that pays 3.5 million a year without a Degree...well, most can't.
What I'm talking about is credibility in education...we don't seem to have a handle on that yet...from the bottom of the high schools to the top...in the colleges.
Marshall to me is shining high above the dung pile of Wv education... (Bailey and GHO will like that)
DK, you know just what to say to make a girl blush ha ha
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DK, you know just what to say to make a girl blush ha ha
