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Old 09-04-2009, 05:28 AM
 
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So glad that I only have to travel 705 on Sundays. Thanks for posting the pic.
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Old 09-04-2009, 05:57 AM
 
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WvPharm:

That pic does not tell the entire story...additional 1 mile of traffic to the Mileground and then another mile down Easton Hill to Glen-Mark Center.

It's time to move the Capitol one last time...not to Wheeling but to Morgantown, serious consideration there for our future.

btw: G-20 conclave in Pittsburgh next month..wonder why?
The region, our region is one of the most valuable parcels of real estate in the world.
Natural gas up the ying-yang...but more than that..the fresh water.

Entire rivers that can be bottled in the future to supply the planet.
Water pipelines to bottling plants, tankers at the sea ports on the coast.

G-20 will be looking for safe investments...it's really a big 'Dog and Pony Show for world leaders and the people who pull their strings...
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:06 AM
 
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WvPharm:

That pic does not tell the entire story...additional 1 mile of traffic to the Mileground and then another mile down Easton Hill to Glen-Mark Center.
It doesn't show the gridlock on Van Voorhis either on a normal day,
let alone on a day when the football stadium alone is by far the largest
city in the State.
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Old 09-09-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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WvPharm:

That pic does not tell the entire story...additional 1 mile of traffic to the Mileground and then another mile down Easton Hill to Glen-Mark Center.

It's time to move the Capitol one last time...not to Wheeling but to Morgantown, serious consideration there for our future.

btw: G-20 conclave in Pittsburgh next month..wonder why?
The region, our region is one of the most valuable parcels of real estate in the world.
Natural gas up the ying-yang...but more than that..the fresh water.

Entire rivers that can be bottled in the future to supply the planet.
Water pipelines to bottling plants, tankers at the sea ports on the coast.

G-20 will be looking for safe investments...it's really a big 'Dog and Pony Show for world leaders and the people who pull their strings...
I think Wyoming has WV beat in the natural gas department. Its far more abundant there, hence most of the natural gas produced in the US comes from that region.

Additionally about that water comment. Ever heard of the great lakes? LOL I mean their only some of the largest fresh water reserves in the world. While WV's rivers are beautiful, there is nothing special about their fresh water potential.
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Old 09-09-2009, 08:44 PM
 
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I think Wyoming has WV beat in the natural gas department. Its far more abundant there, hence most of the natural gas produced in the US comes from that region.

Additionally about that water comment. Ever heard of the great lakes? LOL I mean their only some of the largest fresh water reserves in the world. While WV's rivers are beautiful, there is nothing special about their fresh water potential.
Are you including the new Marcellus Shale discovery? Most of West Virginia is sitting right on top of it, and there is more energy there than in the entire middle east. I don't know what Wyoming has, but WV is rich in spades in natural gas.

The Great Lakes have lots of water, that's true, but our government seems determined to being sensitive to Canada in terms of shared use of it. The wackos would be whinning all day and night if we tapped into that in terms of diversion.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:42 AM
 
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Are you including the new Marcellus Shale discovery? Most of West Virginia is sitting right on top of it, and there is more energy there than in the entire middle east. I don't know what Wyoming has, but WV is rich in spades in natural gas.

The Great Lakes have lots of water, that's true, but our government seems determined to being sensitive to Canada in terms of shared use of it. The wackos would be whinning all day and night if we tapped into that in terms of diversion.
We already tap into the great lakes for water. Think of the cities that ring it, and yes, where do they get their water? The lakes. Only considering the million plus cities one finds:

Milwaukee : 1.6 million
Chicago: 9.8 million
Detroit: 4.5 million
Cleveland: 2.3 million

Over 18 million people live in those four cities (on the US side) drawing heavily from the water table. You can add millions more in population when you consider smaller American cities ringing the lake suck as Toledo, Buffalo, Erie, Gary and countless others. Additionally, one of the largest civil engineering projects of the twentieth century, the great reversal of the Chicago river (the Chicago river previously drained into lake Michigan) to flow into the Mississippi. Imagine the gallons of water that flow from lake Michigan now, down the Mississippi into the gulf from the lakes region now. The amount of water contained within the great lakes is mind boggling, and again the amount of water contained within WV rivers is miniscule at best when compared.

Moving on to the energy question, Wyoming boasts a far more robust collection of energy including coal than WV. Additionally when speaking on coal, Wyoming’s is far cleaner (subbituminous) thus more desirable than those of WV. I have included a map of natural gas and coal reserves US wide respectively.

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[CENTER]Dry Natural Gas Proved Reserves by Area - 2006[/CENTER]
[CENTER]Source: EIA - Office of Oil and Gas[/CENTER][/CENTER]


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[SIZE=3]United States[/SIZE][SIZE=3] coal regions with [/SIZE][SIZE=3]provinces[/SIZE][SIZE=3] shown.[/SIZE]
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This is especially true considering the amount of investment within the Wyoming energy sector reently. They have a relative economic boom within that state currently.
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Old 09-10-2009, 09:52 AM
 
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Having issues with the maps, but naturalgas.org, and wiki have excellent articles on energy reserves within the US.
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Old 09-10-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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We already tap into the great lakes for water. Think of the cities that ring it, and yes, where do they get their water? The lakes. Only considering the million plus cities one finds:

Milwaukee : 1.6 million
Chicago: 9.8 million
Detroit: 4.5 million
Cleveland: 2.3 million

Over 18 million people live in those four cities (on the US side) drawing heavily from the water table. You can add millions more in population when you consider smaller American cities ringing the lake suck as Toledo, Buffalo, Erie, Gary and countless others. Additionally, one of the largest civil engineering projects of the twentieth century, the great reversal of the Chicago river (the Chicago river previously drained into lake Michigan) to flow into the Mississippi. Imagine the gallons of water that flow from lake Michigan now, down the Mississippi into the gulf from the lakes region now. The amount of water contained within the great lakes is mind boggling, and again the amount of water contained within WV rivers is miniscule at best when compared.

Moving on to the energy question, Wyoming boasts a far more robust collection of energy including coal than WV. Additionally when speaking on coal, Wyoming’s is far cleaner (subbituminous) thus more desirable than those of WV. I have included a map of natural gas and coal reserves US wide respectively.


Dry Natural Gas Proved Reserves by Area - 2006
Source: EIA - Office of Oil and Gas


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[SIZE=3]United States[/SIZE][SIZE=3] coal regions with [/SIZE][SIZE=3]provinces[/SIZE][SIZE=3] shown.[/SIZE]
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This is especially true considering the amount of investment within the Wyoming energy sector reently. They have a relative economic boom within that state currently.
Your energy map is outdated, and while it is true that those communities use Great Lakes water for their water needs, that is different than essentially draining them for our irrigation needs. Doing that would lead to major disagreements.

And, while it is true that Wyoming has slightly more reserves than West Virginia, and the Wyoming coal contains less sulfur, it also produces less energy per pound, and it is much more widely dispersed than in West Virginia. In addition, much more of it must be surfaced mined which is vastly more destructive environmentally.

Wyoming Coal Reserves

http://geology.com/articles/marcellus-shale.shtml

http://geology.com/usgs/marcellus-shale/

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Old 09-11-2009, 09:55 AM
 
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Your energy map is outdated, and while it is true that those communities use Great Lakes water for their water needs, that is different than essentially draining them for our irrigation needs. Doing that would lead to major disagreements.

And, while it is true that Wyoming has slightly more reserves than West Virginia, and the Wyoming coal contains less sulfur, it also produces less energy per pound, and it is much more widely dispersed than in West Virginia. In addition, much more of it must be surfaced mined which is vastly more destructive environmentally.

Wyoming Coal Reserves

Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!

Marcellus Shale Water Resources and Natural Gas Production
What are you talking about? Do you know the amount of farm land that surrounds the lakes? Water from the lakes is currently utilized to irrigate corn, soybean, pig farms and the other assorted accoutrement of farm life. In addition, if the water intake from the lakes was as sensitive as you suggest the reverse engineering of the Chicago river, (which drains an incredible amount of water eventually into the Gulf of Mexico) would have been stopped. Currently there are no plans to reverse the flow of the Chicago river back to lake Michigan.

Additionally, WV coal is far more sulfurous than Wyoming’s, hence the relocation there to mine it. The scrubbers that power plants would have to utilize to burn WV coal currently make it economically unfeasible. Hey I’m not bashing WV. I think it’s a great state, however your generalizations have been far reaching. Yes, WV has natural beauty ie: topography, rivers, and forestation. Additionally it has some tremendous resources, however these items do not place WV is a special place within the US. Parts of Texas, Arkansas, Missouri, Indiana, Illinois….. all have similar resources.

The things that these aforementioned states have that WV doesn’t have however is a modern service based economy. The aforementioned states have sported dynamic urban centers and a healthy population growth over the past thirty years, while WV’s has been relatively stagnant in these indicators. Again my goal isn’t to bash WV. The state continues to maintain qualities that make it attractive. However to attempt compare the state with others around the country is difficult, and I personally do not believe that it is even necessary.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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Your energy map is outdated, and while it is true that those communities use Great Lakes water for their water needs, that is different than essentially draining them for our irrigation needs. Doing that would lead to major disagreements.

And, while it is true that Wyoming has slightly more reserves than West Virginia, and the Wyoming coal contains less sulfur, it also produces less energy per pound, and it is much more widely dispersed than in West Virginia. In addition, much more of it must be surfaced mined which is vastly more destructive environmentally.

Wyoming Coal Reserves

Marcellus Shale Gas: New Research Results Surprise Geologists!

Marcellus Shale Water Resources and Natural Gas Production
Oh one other thing the reserves of coal in Wyoming even by the maps links that you provided demonstrate almost twice the reserve amount.

[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]Undg Reserves Surface Reserves Total Reserves % of Total US
West Virginia 33.0 5.0 37.9 8.0
Wyoming 42.6 26.1 68.7 14.4
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Additionally the other articels that you utlized seem to indicate that a greater amount of the natura gas within the Marcellus line will be found in north eastern Pennsylvania (not WV)
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