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I find it fascinating that of all the controversial topics/scenes that have made it onto film throughout the ages, the one topic you can't show is a period piece on a Southern plantation. From what I remember, the cartoon bits were cute, and the live action bits were generic and boring. Still, the fact that a child can more easily access Clockwork Orange than this is intriguing, and says a lot about our society.
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OK, I looked at the Frozen trailer and it looks truly terrible, like an inferior Ice Age 2 or something.
I remember a cartoon where it was an old fat black lady...never saw her face but you would see her arms and her waist and she had a real heavy Southern accent. I wanna say it was maybe Tom & Jerry but I can't remember...anyway I remember being a kid and someone told me those cartoons were racist and I wasn't supposed to like it. It's a lose-lose situation either way so Disney might as well go where the money is. How did Tiana do compared to the other Disney princesses?
Honestly I just don't view Mulan, Pochantas & Tiana the same way I do the other Disney princesses. It's been about a year since I've been to Magic Kingdom but it just seems like the main focus are the princesses in the big poofy ballroom gowns (with the exception of Snow White)...I didn't see a big Brave following either...wasn't she a Disney princess? And there were a handful of girls doing the Tangled thing (was her name Rapunzel in the movie?) but I think it's mostly because they like the big blond braid...her dress is pretty plain.
I remember a cartoon where it was an old fat black lady...never saw her face but you would see her arms and her waist and she had a real heavy Southern accent. I wanna say it was maybe Tom & Jerry but I can't remember...anyway I remember being a kid and someone told me those cartoons were racist and I wasn't supposed to like it.
I think I can picture who you mean! Hit the cat with the broom, I'm sure. Yeah, but this fat lady shouldn't represent all black women any more than Jane and Michael Banks represent all English children.
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It's a lose-lose situation either way so Disney might as well go where the money is. How did Tiana do compared to the other Disney princesses?
Oh, I agree, and I'm wouldn't be surprised that SOTS would be an extremely unpopular movie, the baffling thing is that it's literally banned, and must be one of the only mainstream films of the 20th century to be so.
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Honestly I just don't view Mulan, Pochantas & Tiana the same way I do the other Disney princesses.
It doesn't help that their movies weren't particularly good. Tiana's was all right; I liked her cooking gumbo with her dad. Jasmine's not white and she was a very popular princess, right? Probably since IMO her story was Disney's best since the golden age.
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Well, then why even make a movie about a Nordic beauty? Since white kids are indeed a minority in that age group, why focus on european folklore when they could tackle folklore from other regions of the globe?
No they arent. You cant just group every other minority together and say "well they make up 51% all together,and white people only make up 49%".
I watched Aladdin, Pocahontas, Mulan, and The Princess and the Frog. I've also watched Pinocchio. I had no problem with the characters. However, there is one pattern I have noticed in the Disney films. There are Arab, Native American, Chinese, and Black female characters that are very prominent and likable. However, I have noticed this. Until The Frog Prince came out, I never saw any Black male characters, and when some came in The Princess and the Frog, one died early on in the film. The main Black male character in the film was a villain. The biggest portrayal of a Black male character in any Disney film, and the first major one, was that of a villain, a bad guy. I never thought about it until I sat down. The prince wasn't Black. Interracial dating/marriage, I have no issue with it. The only thing that I have thought about is why there hasn't been a Black prince ever featured, in any film.
I think I can picture who you mean! Hit the cat with the broom, I'm sure. Yeah, but this fat lady shouldn't represent all black women any more than Jane and Michael Banks represent all English children.
Oh, I agree, and I'm wouldn't be surprised that SOTS would be an extremely unpopular movie, the baffling thing is that it's literally banned, and must be one of the only mainstream films of the 20th century to be so.
It doesn't help that their movies weren't particularly good. Tiana's was all right; I liked her cooking gumbo with her dad. Jasmine's not white and she was a very popular princess, right? Probably since IMO her story was Disney's best since the golden age.
I loved Mulan. The Princss & frog songs weren't that great. I don't even remember them. My fave disney songs are a whole new world, colors of the wind, can you feel the love tonight, and most of the songs sung by the black chicks on herclues.
Am I the only one who doesn't even LIKE the revamped Snow Queen? It's a lazy edit that actually makes things WORSE. The black princess has clear blue eyes and straight, white hair. So it's okay if the princess is black so long as she has blue eyes and straight, bleached hair? Blah, you were better off leaving her as a pale, white, Nordic Snow Queen .
Yeah, Disney films need more diversity, but this isn't how you do it. What is the point of the Snow Queen being a minority anyway? It is a Northern European folk tale after all. There is a rich gold mine of African, Asian, Native American, and Hispanic folk lore that they can tap into-we don't need to shoe horn in minorities into nonsensical roles.
Jeez, I can't remember the last time I've dedicated so much energy for a Disney flick...
The only thing that I have thought about is why there hasn't been a Black prince ever featured, in any film.
Maybe it's just because he was voiced by the supremely cool James Earl Jones, but in my mind, I've always thought of Mufasa as black. He's definitely African.
Maybe it's just because he was voiced by the supremely cool James Earl Jones, but in my mind, I've always thought of Mufasa as black. He's definitely African.
But Mufasa is a lion, not a human being. I am talking about a real prince, a human being. There has been no Black prince in any Disney films.
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