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Ugh. I don't object to remakes in and of themselves, but this begs the question: Why??? The previous movies aren't all that long ago and they still hold up. Does a director who is passionate with an idea have something to say here? I doubt it. This is Disney doing more recycling.
Disney, you know if you REALLY want to launch a new series about ethnically diverse pirates getting in supernatural adventures, do a Sinbad series for crying out loud.
I'm not going to watch a video by someone whose internet presence demonstrates railing against "woke" media But if that's Ayo Edibiri in that screencap, that would be awesome casting for a female pirate movie.
I stopped watching the original series after movie #2 so lamer and gayer V2 is gonna be a hard no from me.
It's going to be another Disney megaflop. Yet Disney is firmly committed to the woke agenda.
I've already heard that The Acolyte is a one (season) and done show. Disney is on a course to ruin - instead of making shows and movies that are good, they are deluded in thinking they are making movies and shows that are good for us spreading "the message". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9s...riticalDrinker
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Ughhh… I’m getting so sick of the entertainment industry practicing historical revisionism to promote a liberal agenda. Presenting the world as you want it to be—rather than it actually is or has been—does not make the world a better place.
Maybe I don’t know a lot about history but, as far as I know, there were no Black female pirates in the Caribbean in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. There were Black male pirates (usually fugitive slaves) and that is a great premise for a movie (but probably much too serious for the likes of Disney).
I understand that such a [Disney] story will provide opportunities for female actors of color but I still can’t stand the complete lack of a basis in reality. Great fiction is at least plausible.
And, given that this franchise is based on a Disney ride, has (or is) Disney going to change the actual ride as well by presenting a diverse population of pirates to park patrons?
Maybe I don’t know a lot about history but, as far as I know, there were no Black female pirates in the Caribbean in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. There were Black male pirates (usually fugitive slaves) and that is a great premise for a movie (but probably much too serious for the likes of Disney).
I understand that such a [Disney] story will provide opportunities for female actors of color but I still can’t stand the complete lack of a basis in reality. Great fiction is at least plausible.
There were never many femaled pirates anywhere at any time in history. That said ... these are stories with ghosts and squid-headed cursed pirates, so we aren't exactly planted firmly in history. So I think you have hit the nail on the head in the need to distinguish between "realistic" (which very few movies are) or "historically accurate" (which none of the PotC movies have ever been or claim to be) and "plausible" (and that is the tricky part).
All stories must be plausible, even Fantasy and Horror and Science Fiction. Once the "rules" of the world have been established, the story needs to operate within them.
So it possible to make a plausible and great movie about a black female pirate? Sure. If you have a writer and director who put the hard work and smarts and artistic talent into the work. But when was the last time Disney did that?
There were never many femaled pirates anywhere at any time in history. That said ... these are stories with ghosts and squid-headed cursed pirates, so we aren't exactly planted firmly in history. So I think you have hit the nail on the head in the need to distinguish between "realistic" (which very few movies are) or "historically accurate" (which none of the PotC movies have ever been or claim to be) and "plausible" (and that is the tricky part).
All stories must be plausible, even Fantasy and Horror and Science Fiction. Once the "rules" of the world have been established, the story needs to operate within them.
So it possible to make a plausible and great movie about a black female pirate? Sure. If you have a writer and director who put the hard work and smarts and artistic talent into the work. But when was the last time Disney did that?
I totally get that there are historical precedents for practically any gender, color, etc.
But, with Disney/Marvel-MCU/Star Wars - it is impossible to ignore the overall trend. EVERY movie is now just like SouthPark mocked:
I totally get that there are historical precedents for practically any gender, color, etc.
But, with Disney/Marvel-MCU/Star Wars - it is impossible to ignore the overall trend. EVERY movie is now just like SouthPark mocked:
Put a (black) chick in and make her lame and g@y.
Everything.
I don't disagree, but as with all things, I am already seeing an over reaction in the other direction. It is pretty obvious to anyone who watches movies that Hollywood in general and Disney very specifically has been pandering to the DEI crowd in very shallow ways for the past several years. I get it.
On the other hand, the anti-"woke" crowd is over-reacting. Any time a project is announced with a non-white woman lead, they are up in arms. They are just as bad as the DEI extremists.
The fact is you can do a great movie with a female lead. I have seen it done. COFFY, STAR WARS, ALIEN, ALIENS, T2, CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON, JACKIE BROWN, KILL BILL, SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, WESTWORLD (TV), ALIAS (TV), and a whole lot of Michelle Yeoh movies.
But for this to work, you have to take the time and effort to develop an interesting character with compelling wants and needs and strengths and weaknesses. You can't just write a Mary Sue and cast a gay black actress and think you are doing the world a favor. You aren't. You're actually hurting your own cause.
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But if that's Ayo Edibiri in that screencap, that would be awesome casting for a female pirate movie.
