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Old 03-31-2015, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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How Common Core works:

The effort was developed by governors and state school chiefs from both parties who were concerned that too many graduates were leaving high school unprepared for college or their first jobs.

The standards spell out what reading, math and critical thinking skills students should grasp, while leaving how those skills are mastered up to local school districts and states.

Common Core is a national initiative, but one that began with states working together. There is no federal law that a new president could ask Congress to repeal.

Common Core is an approach to teaching, not a mandate on what to teach, and it does not come with a required reading list.

But of course none of the above will resonate with all the right wing nut-jobs who despise the federal government as long as it's led by the muslim, socialist, Kenya-born President.

None of it resonates because you are lying ( not about the means of implementation but rather what the core of common core is which is federal indoctrination ) and more people have woken up to the lie which is why it continues to face a huge backlash by far more than just those "right wing nut jobs you loathe..oh and for the record I despise the federal government not because of the current president but rather because it has far over reached it's constitutional boundaries. thanks largely to mouth pieces who spew lies while trying to put in more socialist programs and the sheeple that blindly believe them.

 
Old 04-01-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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It might sound good in theory, this whole "let's test our children to make sure they can compete in world's economy", but in practicality, it's nothing more than a waste of time.

Some people are EXCELLENT test takers. And it really has nothing to do with their knowledge base. Some people are the opposite.

US school system needs a major overhaul, not an addition of testing. But heck, what do I know? 1 - I didn't grow up in US and hardly went to school here and 2 - we are homeschooling our kids.
 
Old 04-01-2015, 09:30 PM
 
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Originally Posted by PlainWhite View Post
How Common Core works:

The effort was developed by governors and state school chiefs from both parties who were concerned that too many graduates were leaving high school unprepared for college or their first jobs.

The standards spell out what reading, math and critical thinking skills students should grasp, while leaving how those skills are mastered up to local school districts and states.

Common Core is a national initiative, but one that began with states working together. There is no federal law that a new president could ask Congress to repeal.

Common Core is an approach to teaching, not a mandate on what to teach, and it does not come with a required reading list.

But of course none of the above will resonate with all the right wing nut-jobs who despise the federal government as long as it's led by the muslim, socialist, Kenya-born President.

So, a few things:

If you have too many people leaving school unprepared for life, you don't change the standards, you find out what exactly is the problem. And it seems that the problem(s) have NOTHING to do with standards, but with 1) implementation of the current curriculum and 2) the student population.

Educational national initiatives haven't really been too successful in the past. We are not Netherlands. Our population is VERY diverse and creative one NATIONAL initiative is just not a realistic fix.

I don't really consider myself a right wing nut-job who despise the federal govt. However, the involvement of federal govt in things that it has no business being involved in created more problems than it solved.

And for the record, take it from someone who grew up in 100% socialist country - our dear president has very many MANY socialistic tendencies and initiatives.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I am waiting for the outrage when academia decides homeschooling does not provide the social training needed to learn in groups and refuses to consider these children qualified for admission to college. One of the most important skills taught in our batch processing type of education is how to sit down and keep quiet when you don't care about what the teacher or preacher is babbling. In other words how to tolerate boredom to an annoying drone. That, by the way, is excellent preparation for occupying a cubical maze for the rest of your life.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 09:44 AM
 
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I am waiting for the outrage when academia decides homeschooling does not provide the social training needed to learn in groups and refuses to consider these children qualified for admission to college. One of the most important skills taught in our batch processing type of education is how to sit down and keep quiet when you don't care about what the teacher or preacher is babbling. In other words how to tolerate boredom to an annoying drone. That, by the way, is excellent preparation for occupying a cubical maze for the rest of your life.

Greg, as a home schooler for 4 years, I have taken my children on organized fieldtrips with other home school families to equate the size of brick and mortar classroom size. When the docent or guide asks us what school we are from and they hear home school, they immediately smile and say they could tell something was different by how well behaved the group was and the responses during Q and A.

Also, we are a church going family sitting for over an hour for mass. Now mind you, my kids are old enough now to know better, but they have always been very well behaved for the duration of mass. Almost every time after mass, those sitting around us compliment on how well behaved my children are.

Honestly, having experienced both types of schooling - I would spend time with home school kids in a museum / learning centers over a group of kids on a field trip with school any day. Children today are not quiet in a classroom environment and show respect to teacher or other authority figures (been there - seen it, decided to home school!!)

I too fear that some day I may be forced otherwise.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I was not criticizing home schooling children. In many cases it probably delivers a more comprehensive education and better behaved young adults. That is the problem.

Academia is one of the last really huge self regulating and self protecting bureaucracies.Like any large and self selected club it wants to be able to control its sources of new recruits. The major source of future students is the current precollege education system. Protecting that system is vital to the academic's survival.

That system absorbs many of the college graduates not suitable for PhD level academics. The PhD's wind up teaching colleges while many of those with mere bachelor's or masters degrees teach Grade or High school. The rest go out into the mundane world to try and make enough starting income to pay their college loans. Allowing students that did not learn under the tender mercies of previously conditioned academics is a threat to the academic's selection process and to their existence. I expect they will eventually disqualify home schooled students by claiming they lack the knowledge and social conditioning they believe is needed for a college education.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yep! If one really wants to look at things logically the Public School System has largely outlived it's usefulness..kind of like the USPO and Unions. There was a time all three had a viable reason to exist, now..not so much besides, all three are now corrupt from the top down and the few good folks in each just
keep getting eaten up and spat out.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Quick question,

In the state of New Hampshire where less government is best, why did the state agree to implement Common Core Education? I realize there is a strong home school network, but why would you adopt these standards? Rather utilize the public schools that your tax dollars are paying for without the government dictation?
Getting back to the original question about 'Why did NH...?" the answer is simple. Because NH is just like pretty much every other state.

Sure there are some Free Staters getting excited about things here and there. Sure it likes to pretend to be free'er than other states with the motto etc, but that's more marketing than anything else. Oh, and that "no income tax" sounds great until you see the state fees and local taxes.

At the end of the day, it's just another New England state, with the same funding, education, and municipal issues as every other state.

I say that as someone who has lived more than half his live in NH, and really quite likes the state quite a lot.
 
Old 04-02-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Getting back to the original question about 'Why did NH...?" the answer is simple. Because NH is just like pretty much every other state.

Sure there are some Free Staters getting excited about things here and there. Sure it likes to pretend to be free'er than other states with the motto etc, but that's more marketing than anything else. Oh, and that "no income tax" sounds great until you see the state fees and local taxes.

At the end of the day, it's just another New England state, with the same funding, education, and municipal issues as every other state.

I say that as someone who has lived more than half his live in NH, and really quite likes the state quite a lot.

mmm as one who has lived here all his life I disagree. NH has lost a lot of it's former freedom, largely because of the same idiots that are pushing Common Core and other socialized agendas. But we have been able to hang onto to a couple such as no seat belts or helmets..sadly even those will eventually fall by the wayside as more brain dead publicly edumactated sheeple become adults and shrug when a freedom is threatened rather than stand and fight.
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