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Old 03-30-2015, 08:54 AM
 
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Quick question,

In the state of New Hampshire where less government is best, why did the state agree to implement Common Core Education? I realize there is a strong home school network, but why would you adopt these standards? Rather utilize the public schools that your tax dollars are paying for without the government dictation?

 
Old 03-30-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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Quick response -- Common Core is not a curriculum; it is a set of testing standards in English and Math that a student is expected to know at the end of each grade. It ensures that students will be successful in a competitive economy. The people who object to this seem to have a fetish for "states rights" and an antipathy to the current White House resident, but the reality is that there's nothing to object to.
 
Old 03-30-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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Quick response -- Common Core is not a curriculum; it is a set of testing standards in English and Math that a student is expected to know at the end of each grade. It ensures that students will be successful in a competitive economy. The people who object to this seem to have a fetish for "states rights" and an antipathy to the current White House resident, but the reality is that there's nothing to object to.
I couldn't have explained it any better.
 
Old 03-30-2015, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Originally Posted by PlainWhite View Post
Quick response -- Common Core is not a curriculum; it is a set of testing standards in English and Math that a student is expected to know at the end of each grade. It ensures that students will be successful in a competitive economy. The people who object to this seem to have a fetish for "states rights" and an antipathy to the current White House resident, but the reality is that there's nothing to object to.
Fetish for states rights?? Amusing.. State rights are not a fetish..see the tenth amendment



As to why common core is bad, vile and well as stupid as it's supporters here are a few reasons

It lies



Take a look..


The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The Common Core teaching materials in this textbook define the Second Amendment like this:
“This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison.”


See a difference there do you?

Common core is

1. Common Core is a Federal Takeover of Education

The ultimate goal of Common Core is to have every school district follow the same national standards. This is a failed educational approach that will undermine educational quality and choice. States and local communities better know how to design standards based on their students and parents’ needs than Washington bureaucrats.



2. Common Core is Bad for Parents
Parents will not have a say in their child’s education under Common Core. They will not be able to suggest changes to their local school’s standards or enroll their child in another public school with better standards. Common Core would limit parental choice and shut their voices out of their child’s education.
3. Common Core is Bad for Teachers
Teachers would have little control over their classrooms under Common Core. They will be forced to comply with standards decided upon by federal bureaucrat. This leaves little to no room for teachers to innovate to meet the unique needs of their students.
4. Common Core is Bad for Taxpayers
Common Core has a hefty price tag that will be paid by taxpayers in states. Washington State Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction estimates that Common Core will cost the state $300 million. California Department of Education estimates it will cost $759 million to implement the nationalized standards. Common Core will cost taxpayers a lot of money while not improving education quality.
5. Common Core is Bad for Students
Common Core is a one-size-fits-all education policy that assumes every students learns exactly the same. A top down and centrally controlled standards will hurt students’ creativity and learning. Good education policy realizes that all students have different learning styles, preferences, and paces.
6. Common Core Violates Privacy
The Race to the Top Grants associated with Common Core violates privacy by “data mining” information about students that will follow them the rest of their lives. The information collected is more than just test scores and academic progress. Common Core will track information on religious practices, political beliefs, “sex behaviors and attitudes”, and more.
7. Common Core Resembles Failed No Child Left Behind Program
A main criticism of the failed No Child Left Behind program is that teachers “teach the test.” This means that students are memorizing rather than learning and critical thinking about information. Common Core would resemble No Child Left Behind by requiring students to take national standardized tests to measure their progress.
8. Common Core is Unconstitutional
The federal government should not control education. Since education is not specifically listed in the Constitution, the authority over education should be left up to the states and the people. This allows localities from New York City to rural Alabama to design unique curriculums that are best for their students.
9. Common Core Will Require Some States to Move Backwards
Some states have advanced standards that are designed with students and parents in mind. Sandra Stotsky, a professor at the University of Arkansas, who served on the committee to validate Common Core standards said, “The standards dumb American education down by about two grades worth.” Some states would have to move their standards backwards to comply with Common Core standards.
10. Common Core Is a Failed Education Approach
Washington has tried one-size-fits-all education approaches time and time again. Centralized education programs have not worked and will never work. The quality of education has only declined over the past few decades. The solution is to get the federal government out of the education business.
 
Old 03-30-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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I just home school and avoid "Big Brother."
 
Old 03-30-2015, 01:00 PM
 
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I just home school and avoid "Big Brother."

That's the ticket!
 
Old 03-30-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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I just home school and avoid "Big Brother."
I too homeschool in Ohio but will be moving very soon. Do you homeschool in NH? I would be interested to learn more from you on how that works with testing requirements, etc.
 
Old 03-30-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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I too disagree with PlainWhite as I have had first hand experience, but I do not want to argue about whether it is testing or curriculum.

I would be curious to know if there would ever be a chance that the state repeals it. There have been several states that have and are in the process of. Recently spoke to 2 teachers that resigned because of common core. It isn't good and I was hoping to send my kids to NH public schools but would not object to continue home schooling or send them to Catholic or private.
 
Old 03-30-2015, 01:17 PM
 
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This is why I am surprised that NH was on board from the beginning.
 
Old 03-30-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: East Bay
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Originally Posted by CrazyDave View Post
Fetish for states rights?? Amusing.. State rights are not a fetish..see the tenth amendment



As to why common core is bad, vile and well as stupid as it's supporters here are a few reasons

It lies



Take a look..


The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

The Common Core teaching materials in this textbook define the Second Amendment like this:
“This amendment states that people have the right to certain weapons, providing that they register them and they have not been in prison.” Can you cite a source and link? No, because it's a BS quote.


See a difference there do you?

Common core is Nice cut an paste job.

1. Common Core is a Federal Takeover of Education

The ultimate goal of Common Core is to have every school district follow the same national standards. This is a failed educational approach that will undermine educational quality and choice. States and local communities better know how to design standards based on their students and parents’ needs than Washington bureaucrats.



2. Common Core is Bad for Parents
Parents will not have a say in their child’s education under Common Core. They will not be able to suggest changes to their local school’s standards or enroll their child in another public school with better standards. Common Core would limit parental choice and shut their voices out of their child’s education. Cite your source. This is incorrect. It's not curriculum, it's a testing standard.
3. Common Core is Bad for Teachers
Teachers would have little control over their classrooms under Common Core. They will be forced to comply with standards decided upon by federal bureaucrat. This leaves little to no room for teachers to innovate to meet the unique needs of their students. Again, this is incorrect.
4. Common Core is Bad for Taxpayers
Common Core has a hefty price tag that will be paid by taxpayers in states. Washington State Office of Superintendent of Public Instruction estimates that Common Core will cost the state $300 million. California Department of Education estimates it will cost $759 million to implement the nationalized standards. Common Core will cost taxpayers a lot of money while not improving education quality. It will cost money that would have been spent anyway, regardless of implementation of Common Core standards.
5. Common Core is Bad for Students
Common Core is a one-size-fits-all education policy that assumes every students learns exactly the same. A top down and centrally controlled standards will hurt students’ creativity and learning. Good education policy realizes that all students have different learning styles, preferences, and paces. Again, it's not a curriculum, it's testing standards. There is no proscription on how to teach the material.
6. Common Core Violates Privacy
The Race to the Top Grants associated with Common Core violates privacy by “data mining” information about students that will follow them the rest of their lives. The information collected is more than just test scores and academic progress. Common Core will track information on religious practices, political beliefs, “sex behaviors and attitudes”, and more. Now you're getting into Tea Party paranoia. Citing freedomworks.com, a far right website adds zero credibility to your conjecture.
7. Common Core Resembles Failed No Child Left Behind Program
A main criticism of the failed No Child Left Behind program is that teachers “teach the test.” This means that students are memorizing rather than learning and critical thinking about information. Common Core would resemble No Child Left Behind by requiring students to take national standardized tests to measure their progress.
8. Common Core is Unconstitutional
The federal government should not control education. Since education is not specifically listed in the Constitution, the authority over education should be left up to the states and the people. This allows localities from New York City to rural Alabama to design unique curriculums that are best for their students. Airline travel isn't in the constitution either -- should we abolish airport security rules?
9. Common Core Will Require Some States to Move Backwards
Some states have advanced standards that are designed with students and parents in mind. Sandra Stotsky, a professor at the University of Arkansas, who served on the committee to validate Common Core standards said, “The standards dumb American education down by about two grades worth.” Some states would have to move their standards backwards to comply with Common Core standards. Name one state that would have to move their standards backwards.
10. Common Core Is a Failed Education Approach
Washington has tried one-size-fits-all education approaches time and time again. Centralized education programs have not worked and will never work. The quality of education has only declined over the past few decades. The solution is to get the federal government out of the education business.
That's your honest opinion, nothing more.
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