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I'm working on putting in my own buried 1000 gallon propane tank, just so I can have it filled once a year or so and use the propane as needed for my water heater, generator, and backup heat. But as long as oil is significantly cheaper than propane and NG is unavailable, my house will be warmed by heating oil (and hardwood).
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Pacific Gas & Electric supplies nat gas to Salinas, Castroville, Pacific Grove, Monterey, Pebble Beach, Carmel, Seaside and most other Monterey County locations. Are you a propane dealer by any chance?
You can enjoy living in the bucolic countryside and still have nat gas. Look closely at the photo of a house I posted on the previous page. That house is very remote and is hooked up to natural gas. It is possible if the politicians got on board and wackos stopped the propaganda assault.
This is the New Hampshire forum. Maybe 20% of homes in New Hampshire are eligible to be hooked up to Natural Gas, and the Northeast Energy Direct (NED) pipeline would have added exactly ZERO houses to New Hampshire's limited Natural Gas distribution network, with no provisions for improving local distribution off the +30-inch high pressure interstate pipeline. Kinder Morgan was unable to identify any local New Hampshire NG distributor or electric generation plant which would be supplied by the proposed new pipeline, and existing NG customers might've ended up paying more to subsidize the pipeline than without it.
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By the way, how do you like the acrid smell of wood smoke that pervades the northern NE countryside during the colder months?
I like the smell of wood smoke. With the recent sub-zero temperatures, my woodstove has been running since Thursday. The majority of the wood I burn I harvest on my own property.
I think NH propane dealers are a bit more into game playing. It sure seemed like that two years ago when I moved up here and sought a supplier. To start, I could not find anyone who would sell a tank - you have to get it from your supplier so no one else can touch it under state law. Then comes price negotiation - "list prices" are outrageous.
Smoke smell? We don't get inversions here in SW NH, and things are spread out enough that I rarely see or smell smoke. Also, the EPA has forced manufacturers of wood stoves and furnaces to be more efficient, which means less smoke.
Below is a map of natural gas infrastructure overlaid onto a population density map. If you look at New England, you will see that the natural gas infrastructure coincides oddly well with where the population density is. What is your explanation for that, given that you don't believe gas companies want to put in service where lots of customers are?
Maybe you missed my point. In fact. your map makes my point for me. Southern NH has higher population density than Iowa, for example, yet there are many more Nat Gas pipelines in Iowa. That shows that low density is not the reason for no Nat gas in NH.
New Hampshire had been settled for nearly 200 years before Natural Gas was even a commercially successful product
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Maybe you missed my point. In fact. your map makes my point for me. Southern NH has higher population density than Iowa, for example, yet there are many more Nat Gas pipelines in Iowa. That shows that low density is not the reason for no Nat gas in NH.
Population density is not uniform in Iowa, nor in New Hampshire; Densely settled areas are more likely to have NG service.
Other factors include geography, history, and yes, environmental protection (or the lack thereof)
I've travelled extensively in NH and New England and would like to move there. I've also never had a reason to study the soils and granite survey maps for NH. If there are ledges and outcroppings everywhere as is claimed, how does anything get built? Note: there is always dynamite.
Dynamiting already established neighborhoods? Sure, that's going to be really popular with the residents.
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^ You reminded me of the biggest difference between oil and propane. At least around here in SW NH, no one owns their propane tank because no one will sell it to you. Oil users all own their tanks.
This means oil heat folks can shop around for refills. Suppliers don't like this, so they use preference to auto-fill customers to get a hook set. With propane, as soon as you get the tank delivered, you are somewhat locked in. Sure you can switch suppliers (if you don't have a one or two year contract in force), but at what cost in time and money? No one buys back the left over propane.
When you switch suppliers, the old supplier will almost certainly buy back the left over propane -- probably at a reduced price, but better than nothing.
Not sure about the difficulty in finding somebody to sell you a large propane tank. I'm planning to start asking around soon, I currently just use a small amount of propane for hot water and the like, but am considering getting my own tank.
It's a shame that most areas of NH have no access to natural gas, the best heating fuel available.
Maura Healy, the Mass attorney general and others killed the "Northeast Energy Direct" nat gas pipeline that would have brought nat gas from PA where there is a huge surplus to nat gas starved New England.
Our condo in Dover had natural gas and loved our $30 bill lol. Now with our house only heating oil so we've been keeping track especially with the brutal cold that's eating up fuel like crazy!
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