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I can't help it! This so reminds me of a scene near the beginning of the movie 1776: where Dr Lyman Hall of Georgia is being introduced to his fellow southern representatives. All they want to know is where he stands on one particular hot issue - and they all lean forward crowding him as he backs away startled and says that his personal convictions are... personal! They all want to know whether to class him with the southern conservatives or the northern liberals and nothing else matters
Can we get back to discussing find good dentists and how bad the winter really is?
Those states may have higher and more widespread taxes. I know Maine has the or one of the highest tax burdens in the country.
However, NEW residents cannot possibly have been solely responsible for the voting necessary to allow those policies to be put in place. The state population would have to have double in no more than a couple of political seasons for that to be true.
Blaming your ills on NEW residents is as old a civilization.
New residents most certainly did change the voting policies of Vermont starting in the 1960s. There were less than 300,000 people in Vermont when the counter-culture folks started moving in. There are only about 600,000 residents in the state of Vermont now. Northern New England has a tiny population base. Population shifts, even in small, but solid numbers can make a big difference in voting patterns. I give you California as an example: I would suggest that the movement into California (our largest state population wise) of tens of millions of Hispanic voters has turned that once solid red state liberal. Political change does not happen over one election cycle, but over time. That was my point. So to say Vermont & Maine have shifted left because of population shifts is not impossible, but self-evident IMO. Population shifts are not the only reason states voting patterns change, but they do factor in. BTW I'm not "blaming" new residents for our ills......I'm discussing demographic facts.
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Keep repeating that mantra. If you can convince yourself, you're doing great. As for me, I chalk it up to one of those necessary things that you just have to live through to have the rest. I'll get through it, everybody does - I"m not really an outsdoorsy person no matter what season: I prefer to look at it through my windows (and if we can work out some sort of a webcam so I can look out a window remotely.. all the better!)
New residents most certainly did change the voting policies of Vermont starting in the 1960s. There were less than 300,000 people in Vermont when the counter-culture folks started moving in. There are only about 600,000 residents in the state of Vermont now. Northern New England has a tiny population base. Population shifts, even in small, but solid numbers can make a big difference in voting patterns. I give you California as an example: I would suggest that the movement into California (our largest state population wise) of tens of millions of Hispanic voters has turned that once solid red state liberal. Political change does not happen over one election cycle, but over time. That was my point. So to say Vermont & Maine have shifted left because of population shifts is not impossible, but self-evident IMO. Population shifts are not the only reason states voting patterns change, but they do factor in. BTW I'm not "blaming" new residents for our ills......I'm discussing demographic facts.
Those 300,000 original Vermonters had babies too. Then the sixties happened. And the seventies. The national center moved too. 1960 is almost FIFTY years ago. What and the where in heck has NOT changed since then?
TENS of millions (which I take to mean 20M+ due to the plural) of Hispanics did not move INTO California. California was Hispanic before this country was born. We here outcries now that >50% of the population of that state is of Hispanic origin. That's just a return to pre-goldrush times.
I can't help it! This so reminds me of a scene near the beginning of the movie 1776: where Dr Lyman Hall of Georgia is being introduced to his fellow southern representatives. All they want to know is where he stands on one particular hot issue - and they all lean forward crowding him as he backs away startled and says that his personal convictions are... personal! They all want to know whether to class him with the southern conservatives or the northern liberals and nothing else matters
Can we get back to discussing find good dentists and how bad the winter really is?
But with such completely different philosophies - which affect societal change - isn't it wise to know what kind of person someone is?
Today we have vastly different mindsets in opposition, and our lives are all affected. I prefer knowing who I am dealing with up front, and do not consider my own preferences personal considering the public effect of the actions we take regarding these philosophies. That is not to say that I do not befriend people who oppose my beliefs, but I am discriminating and prefer knowing the stance my friends take as part of the collective whole. One thing which would help is if we could all have a bit of a sense of humor - it used to be yrs ago that you could play practical jokes on your friends, family & neighbors & have them played on you but PCness has created a very serious society with rigid boundaries.
Those 300,000 original Vermonters had babies too. Then the sixties happened. And the seventies. The national center moved too. 1960 is almost FIFTY years ago. What and the where in heck has NOT changed since then?
TENS of millions (which I take to mean 20M+ due to the plural) of Hispanics did not move INTO California. California was Hispanic before this country was born. We here outcries now that >50% of the population of that state is of Hispanic origin. That's just a return to pre-goldrush times.
What's your point ? I said over time due to a large influx of people into Vermont & Maine the politics of the states shifted. That's a fact. California was almost 90% WHITE in 1960 ! look it up. There was always an Hispanic element to the population of California, but whites vastly out numbered every other ethnic group after California became a state. Whites were 89% of the population of the USA in 1960, now they are 66%of the population of the USA. There are over 45 million Hispanics in the USA today, about 14% of the population. Tens of millions of Hispanics have moved into California over the last 40 years. Go to the USA census website and look at the numbers. There were never massive numbers of Hispanics in the United States until the last 40 years. You don't know what you are talking about concerning demographics. BTW before California, and Texas for that matter were states, there were only small numbers of Hispanics there. And the Hispanics that were in these two states were Europeans.....ethnic white Spanish army troops and religious groups, not Hispanics as we know them today. Over 40 million immigrants have come to the USA since the 1965 immigration act. Of those 40 million most have come from Latin America. With most of that population coming from Mexico. Most of those Mexicans have settled in California, Texas, and Arizonia. That's where I get the correct figure of tens of millions of Hispanics moving to California in the last 40 years. If you insist on addressing me please get some of these BASIC facts of American history correct.
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It means that you should take responsibilty for yourself and your family and do the best you can in a hard working way to support them and yourself.Having a good work ethic and being a responsible citizen is not rocket science but being a careless irresponsible citizen or parent is a drain on the hardworking people who do the best they can to stay afloat.Socialism and laziness go hand in hand.Theodore Roosevelt was a great man and a good president, research his principles.
"We here outcries now that >50% of the population of that state is of Hispanic origin. That's just a return to pre-goldrush times."
it doesn't help when single, unemployed women with a half dozen children already have themselves injected with multiple embryos
It doesn't help people focus on real issues when all they are interested in is the freak show. She's not an issue. One woman. 14 kids. Whatever. If she were 10,000 women with 140,000 kids - then THAT'S a problem.
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